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traveltime
01-30-2007, 11:04 AM
I was wandering if anyone has pulled a Landmark Monticello with a 2500HD Chevrloet? The truck is a 2006 2500HD 6.6 Turbo Duramax/Allison Trans. CrewCab 4x4 shortbed. I know already that I'll be over on my weight ratings, but can it pull the trailer regardless? I would like to here your input. Some people said all I really need to do is add the extra leaf spring and upgrade my tires. Is that true? Thank You:confused:

nhunter
01-30-2007, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't even try and pull it will my 1 ton SRW. Sure it will pull it but I doubt you would get it stopped. And god forbid you were ever in a wreck with that setup as I'm sure the would be legal issues. I know I'm under my weight limit and sometimes wish I had more truck. I would buy a bigger truck or a smaller trailer. Just my thoughts

katkens
01-30-2007, 11:37 AM
I agree better safe then sorry.

traveltime
01-30-2007, 11:39 AM
I forgot to add that I will only be moving it about 4 times a year. Probably no more than 3,000 to 5,000 miles. It will be set up for 3 months at a time.

nhunter
01-30-2007, 02:19 PM
I still stand by my original post. You never know when something will happen even if it's not your fault they still might be able to come after you. I know it costs a lot of money for a new pickup but you might be able to trade yours in on a used 1 ton. The really isn't that much difference in the ride. I hope your salesman didn't tell you that you could pull anything like 75% of them do.

Ray LeTourneau
01-30-2007, 02:32 PM
We were only 250 to 300# over GVW with our 2500HD and it pulled fine BUT. I certainly noticed the stopping power was limited. We made it south with no issues but I bought a 3500 as soon as the opportunity arrived. We can tell the difference. Larger surface area on the pads and bigger calipers.

jpmorgan37
01-30-2007, 02:36 PM
If you decide to drive through Pennsylvania, be prepared to spend some time parked while the State Troopers observe the amount of weight that you are offloading and, oh yeah, giving you a receipt for your traffic citation. Yes, your Duramax/Allison will pull it, but it will sure be fun on a steep winding downhill. Eight tons pushing a 3/4 ton truck just don't get it. I know, I've been there.

mrcomer
01-30-2007, 04:27 PM
Traveltime,
While I am a proud owner of a Chevy Silverado 2500HD crew cab, 4x4 truck I would definitely not consider towing something as big as a Monticello with it. You really should consider going to a medium duty Kodiak 4500. I keep saying (dreaming) that if we were to decide to go full time and travel that the Kodiak would be the way to go. Even if we just kept our Bighorn I would still want more truck to pull AND stop with. For the amount of weight your are going to be pulling I do not see how you could feel comfortable doing it with just a 2500HD especially for the amount of miles you had referred to.

Anyway, just my 2-cents worth.

Good Luck,

Mark

dennylm
01-30-2007, 06:01 PM
Traveltime my friend,

You're getting great advice from many experienced folks. Determine what your max payload in your bed is. That's your max pin weight. If your pin is more, use air bags but then determine the max weight for your rear axle and tires. They will be the next closest thing to become a liability. If those are okay, determine what the max 5th wheel pulling weight is for your truck. If over that limit, your rig is dangerous. Determine what your max combined weight is for your truck and trailer. If over that limit, your rig is dangerous.

I don't mean to sound like a stick-in-the-mud here, but yes, I can take a 2500 and pull a FIFTY-thousand pound trailer if I can take all the time in the world to get it up to speed, don't have to do it very often and can always be assured of having thousands of feet to bring it to a stop (and I don't mean thousands of feet down hill. :) )

Stay within your engineered limits and you'll sleep a WHOLE lot better!

Just MHO! :)

dieselengineer
01-30-2007, 08:34 PM
If you are only going to move the coach 4 times a year, rent a big truck! As stated before, in PA they will pull you over and you will not move the rig until the weight is below the numbers on the truck door. Oh, they will also give you a big ticket for all your troubles.

fireflipper
01-30-2007, 09:01 PM
I will only say the same as every one else as. Yes, it will pull it, but the wieght is just to much. A Monticello maxes out at about 18,000. You are probably a die hard Chevy man like me, but travel life magazine just had an article on the new 450 Fords. Total pulling capacity is 33,000 lbs. Price will proba bly be up eith the Kodiak but any Ford dealer should be able to repair if nessacary. Keep up informed, and travel safe.

P.S. I believe there was a link to a post about an RV'er in California who had an accident, it reslulted in a death. The CHP weighed everything, determined he was over wieght and gave him a heavy citation. The end result was law suit, and of course he lost, everything. He now is in debt up to his eyeballs to pay off the law suits. maybe Jim can recall the link to refresh every ones minds. Its SCARY !!!!!!

jbeletti
01-30-2007, 09:20 PM
Maybe this is it - check out the link in post one at this link (//heartlandowners.org/showthread.php?t=425&highlight=suit).

Jim

Tom of Ypsi
01-30-2007, 09:33 PM
My bet is before you even put anything in the trailer or truck you are going to be 1,000# over weight. You definetly need a bigger truck with bigger brakes. Let us know what you decide to do.

ct0218
01-30-2007, 09:54 PM
I pull a Mt. Rushmore that weighs a couple thousand less, and I'm using a dually. I wouldn't want to pull anything bigger, that's for sure! Like Dieselengineer said, rent a truck, or pay someone to pull it. It might turn out to be a bargain that way.

5erWonk
01-30-2007, 11:02 PM
My roll over happened 10 miles from my home.

nhunter
01-31-2007, 01:11 AM
Dennylm - "Determine what your max payload in your bed is. That's your max pin weight. If your pin is more, use air bags but then determine the max weight for your rear axle and tires. They will be the next closest thing to become a liability. "

Just an FYI adding airbags does not increase your payload capacity.

When I weigh my rig I load up truck with fuel, momma, baby, chocolate lab and the kitty and anything else to be in box. Then weigh the truck. Subtract the weight of loaded pickup from the gross vehicle weight rating. That will give me my max allowable pin weight. Then hook on to loaded trailer. Weigh truck- front and rear and each axle on trailer. I found I was under weight on all axles but over on my Gross Combined Weight Rating by 400lbs. There for I don't tow with a loaded water tank (700lbs) and am barely under weight, but I sleep at night.

We have a 3600RL rated @ 16000lbs and a 2006 Ford F-350 SRW 4x4 rated for 11400lbs for a grand total of 27400 of axle weight but am limited to GCWR of 23500lbs.

dennylm
01-31-2007, 10:22 AM
nhunter,

Ahhh,, once again I may have been led astray by eager sales folks! I was told by the Ford dealer where I bought my truck that my max payload was based on the factory suspension as is, and that using air bags would let me exceed that (somewhat) as long as I didn't exceed the tire or axle max's.

Suddenly, pin weight, which I thought wasn't an issue for me, is now back in the spotlight before I make my purchase. :(

Thanks nhunter. I appreciate the info! :)

nhunter
01-31-2007, 10:40 AM
You just can't trust them salesmen. They told me with my truck I could pull anything on the lot. Airbags may help to smooth out the ride / level the truck but I think that is it. That is the good thing about this site is lots of HONEST knowedge not someone trying to sell you something. My pin weight is around 2000lbs and my buddy has a 36' Montana quad slide and his is only 1200lbs and he has way more stuff in it.

jpmorgan37
01-31-2007, 03:10 PM
This was in this months issue from Air Safe Hitches. It does a pretty good job of letting you know if your Tow Vehicle is within it's design specifications.

GVWR WORKSHEET
HOW TO TELL IF YOUR VEHICLE EXCEEDS ITS GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING...

Determine the GVWR by looking on the label located on the driver's door post of most vehicles.

Enter that figure into the table below.

Determine the NET WEIGHT by taking an unloaded vehicle to a public scale and getting it weighed.

Enter the weight into the table below.

GVWR ______________________
(Minus) NET WEIGHT - _____________________
Maximum Allowable Load = ______________________
Load to be Carried = - ____________________

Add all of the following items:

Weight of passengers carried
Weight of all fuel, water, oil and equipment (tools, etc.)
Weight of all after-market items installed
Weight of any cargo
Weight of other miscellaneous items to be carried

Enter the total of all the above to the table above in "Load to be Carried".

Subtract the "Load to be Carried" from the "Maximum Allowable Load".

If the "Maximum Allowable Load" will be exceeded, you must reduce the weight of the "Load to be Carried" in order to remain in compliance with your vehicle's Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

For optimum results, reduce the "Maximum Allowable Load" to 75% of the maximum and stay within that limit to allow a margin of safety.

When integrating a tow vehicle with a trailer, either a fiver or travel trailer, add the GVWR of the trailer with the GVWR of the tow vehicle. If they add up to more than the GCWR of the tow vehicle it's a bad match. The only solution is to pick a lighter trailer or a bigger tow vehicle. The same applies to a self contained unit and a towed unit, either four wheels down or on a dolly.

Hope this helps.

John

traveltime
01-31-2007, 06:02 PM
Thank you for the info. on the Monticello. I was wandering do you think I would be better off with a Bighorn 3600RL?:)

jpmorgan37
01-31-2007, 09:16 PM
Go back up and read nhunters post #16. That will answer your question.

ct0218
01-31-2007, 09:17 PM
A lot of salesmen, eager for the sale, will tell you that if it has a hitch you can tow it. It's just not true. Sooner or later you'll see them drug into lawsuits. We have to keep all those attorneys employed! I think your gvwr is based on tire capacity, axle capacity, and suspension capacity. Just changing one component will not do it, and changing all three is just not feasible. Towing with an underweight or undersize vehicle will be uncomfortable, and most likely unsafe. I've been bounced around pretty good in a dually, I just can't imagine a 3/4 ton pulling that weight.

traveltime
01-31-2007, 09:24 PM
I keep getting told that is what the 2500HD means and the 3/4 ton is just the 2500. Is this true?

Princess Kathleen
01-31-2007, 11:32 PM
Yes. it is the same....check your owner's manuel for all the specs!!!!

PK

nhunter
02-01-2007, 12:59 AM
I don't know about the GM but with Ford the F-250 and F-350 have the same Gross Combined Weight Rating, BUT the Gross Vehicle Weight rating on the F-350 is higher than the F-250. What you need to do is get out your manual, look up YOUR cab, axle ratio, SRW or DRW, transmission and truck class(2500HD). Find out what your truck loaded up with family members, fuel and equipment in cab and box weighs then add about 2000lbs for pin weight (thats mine- yours could be higher or lower). If your loaded truck and the extra 2000lbs exceeds your Gross Vehicle Weight rating(its on the drivers door) then you need a bigger truck. The DOT in British Columbia have got wise that many 3/4tons pulling huge trailers are overweight. And I can almost guarantee that if I am close with a SRW F-350 then you will be over with a 2500HD.

cdbMidland
02-01-2007, 03:09 PM
Too bad that Heartland is not producing the 3655RD anymore that was patterned from the Monticello, but is lighter and rides on two 7,000# axles. Still, I wouldn't try the 3655RD with less than a one ton truck. In fact, I decided to upgrade my 3500 SRW with a 3.73 to a 3500 DRW with a 4.10 to stay legal. The stability of the dual rear wheels is nice, but parking it is a bit of a pain when we have parked the BH.

nhunter
02-01-2007, 03:32 PM
I think the 3655RD and the 3600RL have the same frames, axles etc.

phranc
02-01-2007, 08:23 PM
N Hunter .. yes they did in my year model (06 early). I think I read on here that they have gone to a heavier frame on those being produced today.
One reason we purchased the 3600 was the # 7000 axels and the 'G'rated tires...

nhunter
02-01-2007, 11:47 PM
We also have an early 06 and compared to my buddies Montana 3400 (same length, 4 slides) ours is a lot heavier. Sure do love our Bighorn though

fhollan
02-26-2007, 08:01 PM
Let me throw in my two bits, even that I'm three weeks late since the last post. I started off with the BH back in July 06. At that time I had a F250 PSD 7.3. It pulled the BH just fine. My concern was the pin weight. I took it on three short trips, since I was leery of the long trips and asking for trouble. Last January, 50 miles from home, passing a Ford dealer, I noticed a Ford dually on the lot. Turned out to be a 06, like new, and only 7200 miles on it. The short of it, I bought it. They even got me a new B&W Companion on the trade-in. The deals are out there, and I feel better about the combination. Better be safe!

nhunter
02-26-2007, 11:27 PM
fhollan - how does the 6.0 pull compared to the 7.3l?

fhollan
02-27-2007, 01:56 PM
As I mentioned, I got the truck in January. My BH is in storage under roof, and the weather hasn't been that cooperative in Indiana. This truck has a 4.10 ratio. And people that I've talked to with approximate the same setup told me they love it, and no problems. And I've seen a lot of F350's & 3500's with 5ers of that size. One thing is for sure, I will be taking longer trips this year. I'll keep you advised.

fhollan
03-24-2007, 06:12 PM
nhunter: As I promised to keep you advised on the way the F350 pulled the BH. I finally had the chance today to get it out of the barn for the first time this year, hitch it up, checked everything out, and take her down the highway for about 25 miles. And the TV done a fabulous job. The whole rig sat even, went uphill without any problems, felt more stable and believe me I felt more secure with this TV. So in other words, can't wait to take a longer trip. The cpmarison between the 7.3 and the 6.0 I didn't realy find any difference, since I had the the rear end modified to a 4.10 from a 3.55 on the F250. So as far as pulling the BH it was the same. My concern was the pin wieght. Hope this answers your question. Happy Camping

nhunter
03-25-2007, 11:02 PM
Hate to say it but after all the headaches and problems with my first 6.0, I can't tell the difference either.:o