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Chainsaw
06-08-2012, 01:10 PM
Hi
We have a couple in our chapter who have been told that a 2012 F150 is enogh truck to pull a torque 291. The GVW for the torque is 14,000. Has anyone got some information on this? I have directed them to the forum but I sence they might be shy.
thanks
Don

jtwhites85
06-08-2012, 02:20 PM
OOPS, should have included the link:
http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/towing/

GOTTOYS
06-08-2012, 03:16 PM
No possible way! That's Waaay over the limit. Look at the chart on the posting from jtwhites85 and match your friends truck up with it. If the truck is the right model with the right equipment the most it is rated for 11,300#. Darn salespeople..anything to make a buck!...Don

Ray LeTourneau
06-08-2012, 04:24 PM
Seriously? Not even close. I know the new F150 with the eco boost has a pretty good rating but not a 14000 lb trailer. Not even if it was empty.
I had a neighbor in Ocala last winter that towed a 32 ft 5th wheel with 2 slides from OH to FL. He said he didn't have any problems. I just walked away. Heard that statement too many times.

PeternLiane
06-08-2012, 10:59 PM
Sorry but no way. The trailer is almost 3000lbs over weight. You'd have to have a 250(2500) or 350(3500) to pull that trailer safely.

dougmarciaride
02-26-2013, 09:29 AM
Well after reading all the "Opinions" here, I'm anxious to see how my 2012 Ecoboost F150 will be towing our TQ291. After adding a 4" exhaust, cold air intake, and Bully Dog GT tuner I'm estimating another 100+ horsepower to my already adequately rated truck. No, it's not rated for 14,000 however I will never push the limits of the trailer to 14,000 anyway. The pin weight on the trailer is 2000lbs, and with the package on my truck it's rated for 2300lbs payload. I may install air springs if I get sag. I will let everyone know how it goes when I pick my 291 up in the next couple of days.

danemayer
02-26-2013, 10:15 AM
The pin weight on the trailer is 2000lbs, and with the package on my truck it's rated for 2300lbs payload. I may install air springs if I get sag. I will let everyone know how it goes when I pick my 291 up in the next couple of days.
Here are a few additional thoughts that might be helpful to you.

The pin weight of 2090 is not the only thing contributing to the 2300 payload of the truck. You have to include people, tools, hitch, bed linings/covers and anything else that didn't come with the truck. Also, the pin weight spec doesn't include options added to the trailer, water, or any of your stuff. On our Landmark, the empty pin weight spec is 2620. The actual pin weight is 900# higher with all our options and cargo. Air bags may compensate for your sag, but won't strengthen the rear axles, wheels, springs or tires.

Gas engines develop max horsepower at much higher RPM than diesels. Your engine may be screaming every time you go uphill or merge onto an interstate. Think poor acceleration, poor gas mileage and excess wear and tear.

If you ever get into high altitude, gas engines can lose 30% of their power in thin air. If you're on the edge to begin with, it'll be quite a struggle.

While the trailer brakes are supposed to be responsible for stopping the trailer weight, think about going down steep grades. You'll get little help from the engine and transmission, and the F-150 brakes are probably not well matched to having a 13,000-14,000 pound trailer helping you downhill.

You may want to visit FifthWheel Safe Towing (http://www.fifthwheelst.com/) for additional insights.

JanAndBill
02-26-2013, 10:50 AM
To often people mistake the ability to tow something with towing safely and comfortable driving. I've pulled loaded grain trailers grossing 30,000# short distances with a 4 wheel drive F150. Was it safe - NO. Was it something I would want to do for any length of time - NO. Did I have repairs - YES. Our TV is an F350 DW. I can safely travel long distance, knowing that I'm not overloading or overheating any component, and I'm not constantly fighting the wheel everytime the wind blows or a truck passes.

westxsrt10
02-26-2013, 11:33 AM
Well after reading all the "Opinions" here, I'm anxious to see how my 2012 Ecoboost F150 will be towing our TQ291. After adding a 4" exhaust, cold air intake, and Bully Dog GT tuner I'm estimating another 100+ horsepower to my already adequately rated truck. No, it's not rated for 14,000 however I will never push the limits of the trailer to 14,000 anyway. The pin weight on the trailer is 2000lbs, and with the package on my truck it's rated for 2300lbs payload. I may install air springs if I get sag. I will let everyone know how it goes when I pick my 291 up in the next couple of days.

Thanks for the "heads up". Maybe you can post your travels so the rest of us can stay off that Hwy.

dougmarciaride
03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
I just love it when people seem to think they know EVERYTHING. I did my research and yesterday picked up my trailer. I was worried (a little) about the pin weight. My truck sagged all of 1" when lowered onto my hitch. I am installing air helper springs before we leave for Florida however it doesn't appear I even need them. I drove it about 50 miles. About 18 miles on a freeway with 20 mph cross winds. Rode great, no sway, truck accelerated to 65mph very easily and quickly. I could barely feel the trailer behind me. (People should really go test an Ecoboost before they start spouting off.) Then I did another 40 or so miles through traffic and stop and go traffic. Again, no issues at all. Our TQ 291 pulls like a dream, and my F150 with the Ecoboost performs equally as wonderful. The onboard system showed I was getting 10 MPG with the cruise set to 65 MPH. I have a 20K Pull Rite SuperGlide hitch that removes completely from my bed. You know what they say about opinions....

Bob&Patty
03-01-2013, 11:08 AM
Doug, Im glad its working out for you. BUT, check with your insurance co. and see if they will cover you if you have an accident. The law is the law about what weights you can pull legally. Your truck is not rated to pull that much weight...period. No matter what you have done to it. This is not an opinion....it is fact. In California, if you are stopped and found to be over your weight rating. You be cited and made to drop your trailer on the spot. Then you have to pay someone to come get the trailer with a "legal" truck. Also, if you do not have the right endorsment on your license, you will be cited for that. They do not care what the empty weight is...its by the GWR on the sticker. Here you have to have an endorsment for any trailer over 10K GWR. Would suggest that you look up the towing laws in your state.

DW_Gray
03-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Message to any buyer: The F150 truck will tow this trailer. Heck, even the Toyota Tundra towed the Space Shuttle in L.A. So why not a F-150 or Ram 1500? If it can tow it, then that's good to go. Or is it?

Will it be safe? Are you sure you're willing to take the risk?

Towing is not the only issue. The real issue is to avoid exceeding the load ratings. Ratings are concrete and they aren’t debatable. Ratings are based on a lot of things, like axles, springs, transmission, gear ratio, tires, brakes and etc. These components have limits and continued overtaxing them will result in failure. All these things can be upgraded with aftermarket products but that does not change the certification ratings.

As far as any legal repercussions, you can take that up with the judge.

Do the right thing, tow safely with the right vehicle.

DW_Gray
03-01-2013, 12:10 PM
Think about this:

When the catastrophic failure occurs on the overtaxed component(s) and the wheels stop turning, are you confident that you, your family or friends and those near you will still be alive?

TravelTiger
03-01-2013, 12:54 PM
I hope that driving it home, on familiar roads, with it empty, is not a good test for how it will perform when it is fully loaded with family, pets, gear, toys, fuel, water, etc. on unfamiliar roads. After you load up, with everyone that's going with you, and before you head out for your first trip, find a CAT scale. Then you will know what you are dealing with.

BTW, we have a 5ver with similar weight. Dry was listed at 11,070. loaded (2 people, no kids, no pets) we are 13,425 - below the 14000 GWR.

Razorbackchris
05-01-2013, 04:28 PM
Just upgraded from F250 v10 to a ram 3500 dually and there is night and day difference in how it pulls.

Tombstonejim
05-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Well us guys here at shister and shister lawyers just love this kind of stuff. If you are in an accident and some one is killed or better than that disabled for life. We are gonna put our investigators on you like stink on a skunk. We are gonna prove in court that you were over GCWR, GVWR and probably more. We are gonna make you out be the most iresponsible , uncaring lowlife that ever existed and take every penny you ever made and will make for the rest of your life. Please tow on.

Snow
05-01-2013, 06:36 PM
Wow!! 1" of sag that's really good heck my 250 superduty drops about 2-3" and that's after installing 5000 lb air lifts , I did talk to another guy that was pulling a 5er with a 150 Eco and I was amazed how well he said it done , it's a ford thing ,just be careful and happy kamping ⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

jmgratz
05-02-2013, 08:58 AM
Well us guys here at shister and shister lawyers just love this kind of stuff. If you are in an accident and some one is killed or better than that disabled for life. We are gonna put our investigators on you like stink on a skunk. We are gonna prove in court that you were over GCWR, GVWR and probably more. We are gonna make you out be the most iresponsible , uncaring lowlife that ever existed and take every penny you ever made and will make for the rest of your life. Please tow on.

Almost sounds like the burglar who sued the homeowner for leaving the door unlocked which 'caused' him to be able to burglarize the home. He won the lawsuite.

JRBEN
05-02-2013, 10:38 AM
My 2011 F150 5.0L 4x4 Crew cab was struggling on grades pulling a 26LRSS, and that's a light weight TT. I just traded it in for a 2012 RAM 3500 6.7L Cummins 4x4 DRW Crew Cab and the difference is amazing.

dougmarciaride
01-31-2014, 09:38 AM
Follow Up to my previous post on my 2012 F150 with Ecoboost towing our TQ291. Again, I have to comment on how some people seem to think they know everything. We have taken several trips now in the last year totaling 20,000 miles. We are N of Chicago and have traveled to Florida and back, then out west to Arizona and up through Utah and Idaho (steepest grades were maybe 8%) We had one stretch in New Mexico on some long 6% grades where the engine heated up (outside temp was about 100 degrees) but never got into the red. Then through Yellowstone onto Sturgis where we drove on HWY 14. Very winding and steep. Up to 12% grade. The truck pulled my fully loaded (Harley Roadking & Outlander MAX ATV) trailer with no problems at all. The only negative thing is that gas motors have poor engine braking for going down hills. My brakes did take their toll. I never was forced to drive way below the speed limit due to low power. And on straight flat runs, I have the cruise set at 70. After Sturgis 1000 miles home at 70+ mph the whole way. Next trip was to WV. Again fully loaded with my Harley and ATV. Very up and down terrain with grades as high as 12%. Again, no problems at all. We have been subjected to all kinds of weather hot, cold, high winds, rain, snow and the trailer tows beautifully. Would it tow easier with a 3/4 or 1 ton PU with a big diesel? Of course it would. But I don't need it. We are leaving for Bike Week in Daytona again in 4 weeks (2700 miles RT). I have no doubts our trip will be safe and comfortable. If I go to a bigger heavier trailer I will no doubt be needing a bigger truck. Until then , my F150 Ecoboost rocks!

westxsrt10
01-31-2014, 09:51 AM
Follow Up to my previous post on my 2012 F150 with Ecoboost towing our TQ291. Again, I have to comment on how some people seem to think they know everything when in fact they should keep their pie hole shut. We have taken several trips now in the last year totaling 20,000 miles. We are N of Chicago and have traveled to Florida and back, then out west to Arizona and up through Utah and Idaho (steepest grades were maybe 8%) We had one stretch in New Mexico on some long 6% grades where the engine heated up (outside temp was about 100 degrees) but never got into the red. Then through Yellowstone onto Sturgis where we drove on HWY 14. Very winding and steep. Up to 12% grade. The truck pulled my fully loaded (Harley Roadking & Outlander MAX ATV) trailer with no problems at all. The only negative thing is that gas motors have poor engine braking for going down hills. My brakes did take their toll. I never was forced to drive way below the speed limit due to low power. And on straight flat runs, I have the cruise set at 70. After Sturgis 1000 miles home at 70+ mph the whole way. Next trip was to WV. Again fully loaded with my Harley and ATV. Very up and down terrain with grades as high as 12%. Again, no problems at all. We have been subjected to all kinds of weather hot, cold, high winds, rain, snow and the trailer tows beautifully. Would it tow easier with a 3/4 or 1 ton PU with a big diesel? Of course it would. But I don't need it. We are leaving for Bike Week in Daytona again in 4 weeks (2700 miles RT). I have no doubts our trip will be safe and comfortable. If I go to a bigger heavier trailer I will no doubt be needing a bigger truck. Until then , my F150 Ecoboost rocks!

The F-150 Ecoboost V6 is one great puller...it pulls and performs as well as my Hemi V-8.

Have you had any issues with your Eco making engine oil on the dipstick?

priorguy
01-31-2014, 10:14 AM
Glad to hear it's working well for you. I never understand why some people think you need a 3/4 ton diesel truck to pull a small to mid sized trailer. Manufacturers are catering to the half ton market now with trailers that compete for size and features in a lighter package. The days of the "Family Truckster" house pulling station wagons have been replaced with the half ton crew can truck. Like you I wouldn't go much bigger but it works great for what I have now. And it's more user and wallet friendly when not towing.

As a side note, the 2014 Chevy/GMC half ton trucks can pull 12,000 pounds properly equipped upping the ante yet again. That will RAM and Ford do next?


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HornedToad
01-31-2014, 10:20 AM
I have to comment on how some people seem to think they know everything.

I know very little...
that is why I rely on my truck and trailer
manufactures recommendations.

dougmarciaride
01-31-2014, 10:35 AM
The F-150 Ecoboost V6 is one great puller...it pulls and performs as well as my Hemi V-8.

Have you had any issues with your Eco making engine oil on the dipstick?

I change the oil when it's required. Ford recommends a synthetic blend but I am a long time user of Mobil 1 full synthetic. It runs a bit more but I think it's worth it. Every time I have the oil changed I look at the oil, and dipstick. The oil always looks new. I have had no issues with anything on this truck with the exception brakes. A 6000 mile trip up and down steep mountain grades ate them up. I would love to get some kind of compression release for going down hill. One of these days I'll research that...lol.

Razorbackchris
01-31-2014, 02:47 PM
I'm glad the F150 is working for you. My biggest concern with my old F250 was the stopping not the pulling. With my new truck - Ram 3500 dually max tow package - I can let off the gas on the highway and it will slow down to 30mph without ever touching the brakes. I have attached the weight tickets with the trailer and my old F250. One is loaded with a rzr and one is unloaded. Both are over the rating of the F150.