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rinconq
01-16-2013, 05:55 PM
I was on heartlands site today and saw a 4018. It had an 18 ft cargo. Seems like an interesting idea!

sbuckman
01-16-2013, 06:15 PM
Do you have a link to that model? I must be blind as I am sure not seeing it.

rinconq
01-16-2013, 06:49 PM
It had 4114 bed and bath, looked like a 3100 main living area, and a huge 18' cargo. It was listed as a 4018. Maybe a slip up. As a matter a fact my nephew asked right away if it would hold our four quads! And I am sure it was about 43-44 feet long!

I saw it around 3est and went back a couple hours later and it was gone. Also had the new style bath with recessed tub

Mongoose9400
01-16-2013, 07:46 PM
I saw this in a PDF last night. Can't find any info yet! I wanna know cargo weight capacity!

Mongoose9400
01-16-2013, 07:50 PM
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rinconq
01-16-2013, 08:11 PM
It definitely caught my eye. Didn't check any specs on it, not sure there were any. Certainly an interesting concept. Has me wondering if it may actually be the new 4200. It's hard to say.

scottyb
01-16-2013, 08:12 PM
22807

Very interesting. It might not fit for everybody but I'm sure it would fit for many. Looks like you lose the King Bed, and that would be huge for me.

Mongoose9400
01-16-2013, 08:23 PM
I'm just wondering if I could fit my Jeep back there? Then I can take my daily driver (jeep) along with me in one shot. My jeep has to be trailered. I doubt it though since the Jeep is 5,200lbs.

BarneyFife
01-16-2013, 09:13 PM
I've seen others (and myself) clamor for more garage space. The Voltage toy haulers came out with an 18' garage late last year. Its a great idea and I suspect others will follow.

oscar
01-16-2013, 10:01 PM
I'm just wondering if I could fit my Jeep back there? Then I can take my daily driver (jeep) along with me in one shot. My jeep has to be trailered. I doubt it though since the Jeep is 5,200lbs.


Size wise, yes. Weight wise.....not so sure. It would be very close IF it fit.

AJJONES
01-16-2013, 10:54 PM
Ok busted 4018 is now released. 18' garage the new 3100 floor plan with 8' ex tension. Two happy jack beds convert able sofas and a loft (this thing will sleep 14 people with ease). This floor plan is going into full production early march. The 4200 btw is something completely different just waiting on 2-3 patents to be approved (still top secret taking a little longer than anticipated). Trust me cyclone will always be pushing the limits, as all of our competitors continue to come out with new floor plans (3800 knock offs). We will always be 2-3 years ahead of the competition!!

Mongoose9400
01-17-2013, 12:55 AM
AJJONES,

What's the cargo capacity of the 4018?

BarneyFife
01-17-2013, 07:24 AM
3800 knock offs?

For me, this has gone too far. The living area is so small. I stated a year ago I wish my 370C had a 16' garage. Maybe one day. But I know, you can't please them all. :)

cavlino
01-17-2013, 08:21 AM
AJJONES,

What's the cargo capacity of the 4018?
We wanna know? :) Thanks for confirming its for real. As soon as its order-able I will be trading my current rig for a 4018.

porthole
01-17-2013, 10:07 AM
(this thing will sleep 14 people with ease).


Well I hope HL sells enough to not lose money over it, but the above comment reminds me off:
Entertains 6
Feeds 4

Sleeps 2..............

I'm not quite sure how I would react if the trailer next to me had 14 people in it :eek:
Of course my opinion might be skewed by working in a district where finding 8-20 people (or more) living under one roof is not all that uncommon.

AJJONES
01-17-2013, 11:43 AM
Sorry for the late response, I am working the Tampa super show right now. The cappasity of the 4018 will still be 3000lbs.

DW_Gray
01-17-2013, 06:57 PM
Ok busted 4018 is now released. 18' garage the new 3100 floor plan with 8' ex tension. Two happy jack beds convert able sofas and a loft (this thing will sleep 14 people with ease). This floor plan is going into full production early march. The 4200 btw is something completely different just waiting on 2-3 patents to be approved (still top secret taking a little longer than anticipated). Trust me cyclone will always be pushing the limits, as all of our competitors continue to come out with new floor plans (3800 knock offs). We will always be 2-3 years ahead of the competition!!

I hope that includes a GVWR of 20K or more.

Mongoose9400
01-17-2013, 09:03 PM
Sorry for the late response, I am working the Tampa super show right now. The cappasity of the 4018 will still be 3000lbs.

Figured so...

DW_Gray
01-17-2013, 10:48 PM
Okay, I've been thinking again. That could be my downfall. Lets see. The GVWR is 18,000 pounds. Estimating, I'd say the dry weight is 14,500 pounds. So that leaves the CCC to be about 3,500 pounds. So if I put in 3,000 pounds of toys or one smart car, a motorcycle and two segways or a 3000 pound fishing boat in the garage, that will leave enough room for 500 pounds of clothes, water, fuel, food, and other stuff.

I mean no disrespect to the wonderful company of Heartland that provides the best well built RVs, but is there something wrong with this picture?

Mongoose9400
01-18-2013, 12:51 AM
Yeah. I'd like to see 5000-6000 lb cargo capacity with that size garage. Put 3 8,000 lb axels for a rating of 24,000 lbs

BarneyFife
01-18-2013, 07:16 AM
I would be scared to put that much weight on the tail end of the Lippert frame. I may be wrong but that seems to be pushing the limit back there.

I imagine once you get to those CCCs, you're moving into something like the Forest River Work & Play toy haulers or a full blown race trailer.

Ray LeTourneau
01-18-2013, 08:35 AM
And then the truck needed to haul a rig that heavy. I know the newer 3500 dually's seem to have the towing capacity but what about the weight on the pin?
I'll also bet someone will ask, "will my 2500HD pull this much"?

DW_Gray
01-18-2013, 02:23 PM
Firstly, the Cyclone uses Lippert’s 12” I-beam that is capable far more than 18,000 pounds. The limiting factor is the other components attached to frame, such as the axle systems, the wheels and tires, the pin box, etc. BTW: The original Trial Air pin box before Lippert bought it was rated at 22,000 pounds.

Secondly, I’ll use my 4012 weights as an example. The GVWR is 20,400 pounds.

Before smart car in garage (8/6/10)

GVW: 17,800
Kingpin: 3,600 (Truck’s rear GAWR: 9,350)
1st Axle: 4,975 (GAWR: 6,000)
2nd Axle: 4,375
3rd Axle: 4,850

Note: The above springs and axles proved to be inadequate and Lippert upgraded the axle system to GAWR of 7,000 pounds. So far that has proven to be a good thing.

The 4012’s garage is rated 2,500 pounds. With my smart car weighing in at 1,825 pounds and including all my other equipment in the garage, I'm confident that my garage weight is between 2,300 and 2,500 pounds.

After smart car in garage (6/14/11)

GVW: 19,750
Kingpin: 3,725
1st Axle: 4,950 (GAWR: 7,000)
2nd Axle: 5,375
3rd Axle: 5,700

Lastly, you be the judge.

BarneyFife
01-18-2013, 03:31 PM
You may be right. But does Towmax have a G rated tire?:rolleyes:

DW_Gray
01-18-2013, 04:26 PM
You may be right. But does Towmax have a G rated tire?:rolleyes:

Although one may be more comfortable with G rated tires, I don't think that is necessary. My heaviest wheel load is 3,100 pounds. That is still 320 pounds under the limit of my E rated tires. Even if I maxed out the GVWR, I doubt it will overload the E rated tires. I also maintain 80 psi in all the tires and periodically measure tread depth for unusual wear. I recently had to have one of my new axles aligned because the tread depth on one tire indicated a problem.

Mongoose9400
01-18-2013, 04:28 PM
And then the truck needed to haul a rig that heavy. I know the newer 3500 dually's seem to have the towing capacity but what about the weight on the pin?
I'll also bet someone will ask, "will my 2500HD pull this much"?

My parents 2012 F450 FX4 Crew Cab Long bed does 24,xxx with 5th wheel towing. Bed payload capacity of 5,xxx. I'm sure a F450 could haul a trailer with a GVWR of 24,000 lbs.

cavlino
01-18-2013, 05:45 PM
Yeah. I'd like to see 5000-6000 lb cargo capacity with that size garage. Put 3 8,000 lb axels for a rating of 24,000 lbs
Same here, 3 8k axles at least as an option for those of us that could use it.

cavlino
01-18-2013, 05:48 PM
By the way this model now shows up officially on the Heartland site :) So who wants to buy my 2012 Cyclone 4014? Its blocked in by Snow right now but it will be available in the spring time.

scottyb
01-18-2013, 07:57 PM
And then the truck needed to haul a rig that heavy. I know the newer 3500 dually's seem to have the towing capacity but what about the weight on the pin?
I'll also bet someone will ask, "will my 2500HD pull this much"?

The 2013 RAM has a 30K tow rating. :eek:

BarneyFife
01-18-2013, 08:11 PM
For me personally, pin weight is more important than the weight of the unit.

oscar
01-19-2013, 01:57 AM
And when you are looking at pin weight you not only look at the max rear axle weight, but also the max payload. (TV tire limitation. )

BarneyFife
01-19-2013, 08:24 AM
And when you are looking at pin weight you not only look at the max rear axle weight, but also the max payload. (TV tire limitation. )

Exactly my point. I learned this the expensive way. Our Cyclone was our first fifth wheel. Had numerous TTs but never a fifth wheel. Bought our 370C with an '09 F350 SRW to bring it home. It pulled it very well and all seemed well. Then after reading more on rv.net, I started to wonder about my rear axle weight on the F350. Turned out I was almost 1000 lbs. overweight on the truck. No matter what I tried to figure out, there was only one answer. Three weeks after buying our Cyclone, we bought our F450. So nowadays, I ALWAYS check pin weight for the truck being used.

rgwilliams69
01-19-2013, 09:28 AM
The 2013 RAM has a 30K tow rating. :eek:

Yeah, if you can somehow get the curb weight of the truck down to 6500 pounds without fuel, passengers, hitch, etc. The GCWR max is 37,500 so loaded and ready to go you can't be over 7,500 if you are towing 30,000. I've been laughing about these numbers ever since RAM came out with them - and I think many others are laughing with me as well. Geez... :)

By the time you get up that high I think you are in F450 or probably larger territory - maybe one of the special make FL-70s or the like. Now that's a truck!!

DW_Gray
01-19-2013, 12:12 PM
@BarneyFife,

Looking back, if you had known about it, do you think the Before You Buy RV (http://bybrv.com) app could have helped you?

scottyb
01-19-2013, 03:05 PM
By the time you get up that high I think you are in F450 or probably larger territory - maybe one of the special make FL-70s or the like. Now that's a truck!!

The F550 we purchased for the company last summer on has a 25,900 towing capacity. Just to put this in perspective. It would defeat my purpose to have to go to a tractor to pull my rig. The reason I wanted a 5th wheel in the 1st place is so I would have my truck to drive around when I get some place. I'm not driving a tractor out to dinner.

rgwilliams69
01-19-2013, 03:40 PM
Completely understand, I feel the same way. Although if left up to my wife (who really likes the big, big trucks) she would probably use the Freight-liner to go to the grocery store AND out to dinner. LOL I'm wondering though if RAM keeps upping their numbers that the other two will follow? With the 18k Cyclone behind my F350 it almost feels like nothing is back there at all, which suggests to me that my capacities probably have room to grow and a bigger margin above the 22,800 max rating. I imagine that this truck will be up to pulling almost whatever I might encounter for the next many years while I have it, at least I'm hoping. Only thing I wish I had done more research on between the F350 and F450 though was the turning radius - this beast sure needs a big circle to make it...

BarneyFife
01-20-2013, 08:38 AM
@BarneyFife,

Looking back, if you had known about it, do you think the Before You Buy RV (http://bybrv.com) app could have helped you?

If I had seen that beforehand, I probably wouldn't even be a member here talking about Cyclones.;)