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mattpopp
03-01-2013, 12:44 AM
Total
Ford 117,484
GM 111,555
Dodge 77,583

3/4 Ton
Ford 67,786
Chevy 56,359
Dodge 41,918
Gmc 27,616

1 Ton
Ford 49,698
Dodge 35,665
Chevy 19,573
Gmc 8,007

Enjoy,

Warming to those that may display a sense of humor.
Please don't post a picture that could possibly contain a questionable word that many have used on this forum in order to make fun of a pickup manufacturer. It will result in deleting the whole thread rather then just the picture.


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TXTiger
03-01-2013, 12:55 AM
Looks like Ford was first in every category.

Silverado23
03-01-2013, 01:22 AM
Looks like Ford was first in every category.
Unless you combine Chevy and GMC 3/4 ton together.

mattpopp
03-01-2013, 02:10 AM
GM out sold Ford in the 3/4 ton market. But GM is far from being loved in the 1 ton market.

Now I just wish I could fine the 1 Ton SRW sales vs DRW sales. I believe Dodge would lead the DRW sales.


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Bob&Patty
03-01-2013, 11:44 AM
Matt, as I have said before. I like GM trucks and cars cause working for GM dealers for 47 years I feel they make a good product. I really dont care what other people buy...its their money and they like what they like. As far as I am concerned, the big 3 all make a good truck. I wonder how GM trucks sales will do with the ALL NEW trucks for 2014.

tmcran
03-01-2013, 12:27 PM
I love this type of thread?? No point.

TandT
03-01-2013, 01:32 PM
I love this type of thread?? No point.
I agree.


Montana was the "best selling 5th wheel in it's class", when we bought our last rig. That was their whole sales pitch.

Conclusion; we bought a Bighorn because it was better. Trace

mattpopp
03-01-2013, 02:57 PM
There is no point other I saw a few people wondering what the 3/4 & 1 ton sales where in the other thread. I happen to see these numbers pop up on the Diesel Mag site. So posted them. Honestly I always believed that GM out sold when you combined Chevy and Gmc.


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Silverado23
03-01-2013, 03:07 PM
GM out sold Ford in the 3/4 ton market. But GM is far from being loved in the 1 ton market.

Now I just wish I could fine the 1 Ton SRW sales vs DRW sales. I believe Dodge would lead the DRW sales.


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Why are GM 1 Ton trucks "far from being loved"

TravelTiger
03-01-2013, 04:04 PM
Why are GM 1 Ton trucks "far from being loved"


I wonder if it is styling and appointments inside? As a female, I liked the looks of the Dodge and Ford more than the Chevy and GMC. We look at the newest models side-by-side every year in October at the Auto Show at the State Fair of Texas. You can sit in them and nit-pick without salespeople hounding you. In the truck area, usually outside, they have nearly every model and trim level represented. All have their sticker prices prominently displayed, as well, and free brochures to pick up.

rgwilliams69
03-01-2013, 04:18 PM
That comparison at the State Fair of Texas sounds pretty cool. We don't have that at the State Fair of Illinois unfortunately. Have to go the the dealers and get bugged by the salespeople even if you just want to check one out.

MCTalley
03-01-2013, 08:02 PM
A few comments I have on HD trucks. These are all just my opinion.

Best looking new (2013/14) HD trucks are the Rams. I love my Ford, but I never warmed up to the '08 and up front-ends, nor the '11 and up round dually fender extensions.

I never liked the newer GM HD trucks, especially the DRWs, after the 06's/early 07's. To me, the tires always looked too tiny for the truck, especially 4x4s. Walked by a parked on the other day and figured out why - stock tires are 215/85s.

I really liked the '05-'07 Ford front-ends the most. The '99-'04's run a close second.

As for DRW vs SRW, I did notice when in Texas that the Rams are very prevalent. Move to a different area and you'll see more Fords or GMs. I think its a matter of location/preference.

crmfghtr
03-01-2013, 09:53 PM
I like my 2012 Ram 3500 DRW. I decided to purchase the 2012, due to the DEF that was going to be required in the 2013 Ram model. I personally didn't want the added expense of the DEF in the Ford or GM trucks. I owned a 2008 SRW Ram which almost caused me to go to GM or Ford. I also like the fact that RAM molded the entire rear fender on the Ram and it looks good. My 2 cents...

jayc
03-01-2013, 10:23 PM
When in Elkhart, I've noticed that most of the RV transporters drive Dodges. Just an observation...

Love my Ram!

Mavick
03-01-2013, 10:32 PM
I just purchased a 2007 Ford F 550 DRW to pull my 2013 heartland road warrior 415 I get it next week. The
truck is like new with 30000 miles on it. I bullet proofed the motor and changed head gasket bolts even though it had no problems. I hope it's the right truck for my fith wheel. This is my first rv and I'm a little bit intimidated. I'm taking it to Florida to put the lipart self leveling sytem on it,but it will be a few months before I can get it down there. If any one has tips on leveling my unit, I would love to hear from you. Matt. skibo2412@yahoo.com. I'm a litte worried as I'm a disabled
vet how hard it wil be

JohnDar
03-01-2013, 11:04 PM
Interesting. Ford and Dodge owners just seem to keep trying to convince themselves their trucks are worth a **** :)

TXBobcat
03-02-2013, 12:49 AM
I just purchased a 2007 Ford F 550 DRW. I bullet proofed the motor and changed head gasket bolts even though it had no problems.

I am familiar with the term Bullet Proofed and I am interested in what all you had done. EGR Valve & Cooler, oil cooler, etc... ?? I have been planning on having a Bullet Proof EGR Valve and Cooler along with an Oil Cooler installed in my 06 F250.. I know some that have done a EGR Delete. A friend suggested not to do that because if I went to sell my truck and they knew about the delete I would have to put it back. If I kept the truck and in a few years they started checking for the Delete I would have to have it replaced before being inspected..

BC

mattpopp
03-02-2013, 12:51 AM
Interesting. Ford and Dodge owners just seem to keep trying to convince themselves their trucks are worth a **** :)

Don't get me wrong, I like GMC. But I hate their interior. It's not up to par with Dodge and Ford these days ( maybe the 14', I haven't even seen them yet). My wife's 11' Tahoe squeaks and rattles too much inside. We bought it new so we know the history of it. It hasn't even broke 40k miles. Lastly there is no place for IFS on a light duty 4x4 diesel. My best friends d-max has been in my drive way twice for me to rebuild his front end. 130k highways dont play well with GM's 4x4 IFS. With that being said Dodge needs to rethink the front AAM axle. As the lower ball joints are smaller then what is found in a Dana 44. Nobody can compete with the quality and strength of the ford front axle.


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Mavick
03-02-2013, 06:37 AM
I ordered the complete bullet proof kit with EGR oil cooler. I also ordered new head gasket and bolts as there have been problems with those also. I'm not sure but I think it came out to $ 2000. I gave a buddy of mine $ 1000 and a lot of cases of beer to put it on. I didn't delete the EGR as I have heard of problems doing that. I had no problems with the truck, before doing it and my buddy who put it on tried to talk me out of it. He was a ford diesel mechanic and said not all had those problems. I haven't really noticed that the truck is running cool either, like I said no problems before. Good luck

mattpopp
03-02-2013, 07:37 AM
I don't believe there is a EGR oil cooler for the 6.0. Not even sure what that is. But the EGR cooler would use coolant to cool the exhaust gas before reintroducing it at the intake. The cooler on the 6.0 where thin. Over time from corrosion, temp cycles, and the pressure would cause them to rupture. Most people did not find out it rupture until they tried to start the engine. A cylinder or two would fill with coolant causing a hydro lock. Try to start it and end up bending a rod.

So I suppose you ordered an aftermarket EGR Cooler and ARP Stud for the head rather then bolts. Not sure where you have heard an EGR delete causes issues. Your engine can only benefit from deleting it. It will run cooler, more efficient, and the lube will stay cleaner. But you are on the right track to make the 6.0 a great engine. If your buddy that is going to pull the heads also understands the coolant issue with the 6.0 heads. He will know where to drill and tap the back of the heads to add a coolant return line off of each head. This will relieve the coolant pressure that use to pop the gaskets.


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Mavick
03-02-2013, 08:05 AM
Im not a mechanic I was just going off what I've read. Im sure my buddy who did the work would have described it different. LOL

mattpopp
03-02-2013, 08:27 AM
Im not a mechanic I was just going off what I've read. Im sure my buddy who did the work would have described it different. LOL

I know what you mean. My knowledge of the 6.0 comes from the performance diesel shop I use (when I had my dodge). He is a Ford fanatic and loves the 6.0 and 6.4. I have picked his brain a fair bit about them and seen a few engines that sat on the engine stand after he completed what he considered fixing Fords mistakes.


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BarneyFife
03-02-2013, 09:13 AM
What about the F450? Does that cut away from Ford's numbers in the OPs post? If Ford sells a 450, does it not count in those numbers? I've even noticed in Diesel Power and others how they fail to mention it when comparing trucks (example: the new Ram).

When we bought our truck, a huge reason we went with the 450 instead of the 350 was selection. There were close to ten F450s and three F350s. This is a huge dealership and they love selling 450s.

mattpopp
03-02-2013, 12:36 PM
What about the F450? Does that cut away from Ford's numbers in the OPs post? If Ford sells a 450, does it not count in those numbers? I've even noticed in Diesel Power and others how they fail to mention it when comparing trucks (example: the new Ram).

When we bought our truck, a huge reason we went with the 450 instead of the 350 was selection. There were close to ten F450s and three F350s. This is a huge dealership and they love selling 450s.

I don't think it included the F450. The article said 3/4 and 1 tons. But maybe they did being that a 2011 to present F450 is more like a F355.

I wanted to look at the 450 but the dealer I wanted to deal with had one. It was a XT or XLT. Sad as this dealer is the largest F series in Texas or in the Nation. Salesman said they just don't sell them that often.

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Ray LeTourneau
03-02-2013, 12:38 PM
What about the F450? Does that cut away from Ford's numbers in the OPs post? If Ford sells a 450, does it not count in those numbers? I've even noticed in Diesel Power and others how they fail to mention it when comparing trucks (example: the new Ram).

When we bought our truck, a huge reason we went with the 450 instead of the 350 was selection. There were close to ten F450s and three F350s. This is a huge dealership and they love selling 450s.

I wonder if the 450 is counted as a "Medium Duty" truck where the 350 and 250 are "light duty"? Just a guess as to them not being included.

Owenfamily
03-02-2013, 07:21 PM
Jay,

I would like to see the results of you last eye exam. ;)

David



When in Elkhart, I've noticed that most of the RV transporters drive Dodges. Just an observation...

Love my Ram!

tmcran
03-02-2013, 08:57 PM
At Auto Zone today. Four GM, one Ram six Ford's. This must mean Ford's need more maintenance. Or could it be Ford owners just like Auto Zone more than the others. :cool:

BarneyFife
03-02-2013, 09:45 PM
When in Elkhart, I've noticed that most of the RV transporters drive Dodges. Just an observation...

Love my Ram!

I would tend to agree. They're cheaper and the Cummins is probably the most dependable overall.

That being said, I've noticed that most of the RV'ers drive Fords.

mmomega
03-02-2013, 10:27 PM
At Auto Zone today. Four GM, one Ram six Ford's. This must mean Ford's need more maintenance. Or could it be Ford owners just like Auto Zone more than the others. :cool:
The Fords were there because they had to drive their Chevy driving friends cause their trucks couldn't make it... no but seriously.

I just like reading info in posts like this no matter which truck I had, I like numbers and stats and so many people just make them up.

I was close close close to getting a GMC over my Ford but the dealer we have here doesn't believe much in taking anything off of the sticker price. I wasn't asking much, I just said ok I want to buy this truck you want to sell this truck, show me my out the door price. He took $1500 or so off MSRP. The Ford dealer I went to took $12,000 off.
To me I liked the trucks equally, it came down to pricing and Ford won my purchase.

I still love the look of the GMC Denali 3500's.


..... never went to look at a Ram though. Chrysler done me wrong in the past twice and it was just burned in my memory not to give them a chance again. Who knows, I may have loved a Ram truck too.

Netem
03-03-2013, 09:50 AM
I was at the grocery store the other day and there was 8 GM's 2 Rams and 15 Fords. Does this mean Ford guys are fatter ?:p

dave10a
03-03-2013, 10:39 AM
Brand loyalty is a less than objective way to purchase anything.

Nabo
03-03-2013, 11:55 AM
Ford leads the way because of the fleet/commercial sales.

Eddhuy
03-03-2013, 01:46 PM
"At Auto Zone today. Four GM, one Ram six Ford's. This must mean Ford's need more maintenance. Or could it be Ford owners just like Auto Zone more than the others." I have a Ford and like auto zone because of its location. I usually go there when my daughters GMC truck needs a part or to purchase maintenance items but not yet for broken parts on my Ford. She has 175K on her 01 1500 HD Sierra and I only have 120K on my 04 F350 Lariat. My daughter is looking at new F350 King Ranches and I am quite happy still with my 04 stock 6.0L diesel.

lwmcguir
03-03-2013, 06:43 PM
It is interesting to see China get more involved in GM all the time. Check it out if you aren't aware of that. With all the new features and HP in the HD pickups it will be interesting in a few years to see how it shakes out. We are sticking with Ford and have several because they hold up over the long haul.