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Bones
10-11-2016, 08:59 AM
So who would buy a ram if it no longer comes with a Cummins engine.........

Lawsuit spat (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-cummins-lawsuit-idUSKCN12A2LD).

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I wish I didn't hit that button I meant to say Fiat

Doublegranch
10-11-2016, 10:22 AM
I doubt there will be a "Divorce" in this family....last I knew the Cummins contract was for many more years...What is a few million dollars in the overall scheme of this business relationship.......

Bohemian
10-11-2016, 10:56 AM
SOP

Stand Operating Proceedure

Bones
10-11-2016, 10:59 AM
I can say I don't like the idea of loosing fuel mileage.

rhodies1
10-11-2016, 12:19 PM
So who would buy a ram if it no longer comes with a Cummins engine.........

Lawsuit spat (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-cummins-lawsuit-idUSKCN12A2LD).

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I wish I didn't hit that button I meant to say Fiat

I have head this rumour from various sources,supposedly 2017 is the final year for the Cummins in the Ram,they are going to a FIAT engine.If you look at the new Nissan Titan XL it now has a 355 hp Cummins engine..Rumor is Nissan is looking at building a 3/4 ton model to house the former Ram Cummins engine.
Time will tell"...........

Shortest Straw
10-11-2016, 01:09 PM
Look at the bright side, if rams do not come with a cummins in them in the future you dodge owners will all have limited edition collector vehicles some day!

Bobby A
10-11-2016, 04:14 PM
I have head this rumour from various sources,supposedly 2017 is the final year for the Cummins in the Ram,they are going to a FIAT engine.If you look at the new Nissan Titan XL it now has a 355 hp Cummins engine..Rumor is Nissan is looking at building a 3/4 ton model to house the former Ram Cummins engine.
Time will tell"...........
Yea, when I seen that Nissan with the Cummins engine in it, I knew something was up !!

Sarge
10-12-2016, 02:31 AM
With 865ftlbs of torque - Losing a few tenths of a gallon is no big deal to me.

I registered my truck to my AZ property address to avoid the CA emissions crap -

But it seems to be a driveability issue...

Sarge

Bones
10-12-2016, 05:02 AM
With 865ftlbs of torque - Losing a few tenths of a gallon is no big deal to me.

I registered my truck to my AZ property address to avoid the CA emissions crap -

But it seems to be a driveability issue...

Sarge

I'm more concerned with what are they doing to further plug up the exhaust such that you loose Fuel mileage albeit very minimal.

JWalker
10-12-2016, 09:29 AM
I'm more concerned with what are they doing to further plug up the exhaust such that you loose Fuel mileage albeit very minimal.

Dave, did you get a notification for the recall?

jnbhobe
10-12-2016, 12:04 PM
They recall Dodges ??????:mad::rolleyes::p

jimtoo
10-12-2016, 12:20 PM
They recall Dodges ??????:mad::rolleyes::p

It's a shame they ever let them out. :) :p

TandT
10-12-2016, 01:58 PM
I'm a Cummins guy, not necessarily a Ram guy. Nissan does not have great reviews in the past few years. However if Toyota made a 1 ton truck with a Cummins , I would buy it in a heartbeat. Trace

CarterKraft
10-12-2016, 05:20 PM
The 1 ton Toyota dually with the CAT 6.6 was the one that missed.

It doesn't surprise me at all if this is true, FPT (Fiat Powertrains) is already building engines. Buying engines at a premium I'm sure from another manufacturer is hard on the bottom line.

This type of teamwork helped CAT to exit the OTR truck market and report record profits after doing so.

Of course every couple of years the rumor mill fires up and starts reporting the "Cummins Contract" is expiring, I wouldn't be real worried.

JWalker
10-12-2016, 05:39 PM
Just picked up my Cummins. I'm good for a few years. I'll worry about it then.

Bones
10-12-2016, 05:43 PM
Dave, did you get a notification for the recall?

No but mine is the 2015 model

Jim.Allison
10-12-2016, 10:08 PM
I doubt there is any substance to the rumor. The Ram line, and the Cummins 6.7 are synonymous with each other. That is a reason why there is a BIG "Cummins Logo" on the side of every diesel Ram.

AAdams
10-12-2016, 11:34 PM
The article said "2013 through 2015 model year Ram 2500 pickup trucks with 6.7L Cummins diesel engines " So right now it only applies to the 2500's.

Sarge
10-14-2016, 01:25 AM
I'm more concerned with what are they doing to further plug up the exhaust such that you loose Fuel mileage albeit very minimal.

I was thinking it would be more of an ignition curve / fuel burn rate computer update as oposed to a converter change.

Looks like it doesn't effect us anyway - Someone posted its only for the little RAMs with only four wheels.......:cool:

Sarge

Bones
10-14-2016, 04:38 AM
I was thinking it would be more of an ignition curve / fuel burn rate computer update as oposed to a converter change.

Looks like it doesn't effect us anyway - Someone posted its only for the little RAMs with only four wheels.......:cool:

Sarge

I hope so but you never know. :cool: I think a lot of the emission woes have me thinking for down the road though.

Power247
10-15-2016, 09:52 PM
I don't think there is much to see here. EPA found an issue and neither company want to be liable. It isn't as much about the money as it is about the blame. I haven't seen any official documentation regarding the contract between RAM and Cummins but since I already have one and don't plan on upgrading trucks anytime soon... they can do what they want for now. Who knows, a Fiat diesel in a RAM might be the best thing since sliced bread. But then again, there's no telling if we will ever see one either.

Greg
2012 | RAM 2500 | CCSB | Custom tuned by Double R Diesel
2016 | Heartland Pioneer | DS310

Sarge
10-16-2016, 02:02 AM
I hope so but you never know. :cool: I think a lot of the emission woes have me thinking for down the road though.

My RAM was re-registered from Kalifornistan to our AZ property.

Zero emissions testing required and saved over $850 the first year between registration fees and insurance.

When the warranty expires - I'll mod/tune the truck and delete the DEF system...

Sarge

Doublegranch
10-16-2016, 09:54 AM
Sarge: Regardless of some opinions, you will love the Ram deleted....My 11 ram was deleted and avg was 23 mpg and 18 under tow...
It ran as it was designed to do! I sold the ram with all the original equipment as well and the buyer kept it deleted....no issues in over 150,000 miles with it.
When the 16 Ram is out of the 100,000 bumper to bumper warranty I may do it again.

alexb2000
10-16-2016, 11:23 AM
Sarge: Regardless of some opinions, you will love the Ram deleted....My 11 ram was deleted and avg was 23 mpg and 18 under tow...
It ran as it was designed to do! I sold the ram with all the original equipment as well and the buyer kept it deleted....no issues in over 150,000 miles with it.
When the 16 Ram is out of the 100,000 bumper to bumper warranty I may do it again.

So you gained roughly 60% fuel economy by deleting emissions?

Doublegranch
10-16-2016, 12:34 PM
No, I was getting 19.5-20 mpg from the factory for the first 25,000 miles but then they flashed my truck and it went down to 15 mpg....Yes the deletes added substantially but I didn't put a pencil to the %...
From my original 19.5 -20MPG to the deleted mpg wasn't 60%

Bones
10-17-2016, 09:05 AM
Even though it may not be 60% I still think that is a good gain. I wish some of those yo yo's would figure out a better method than to choke the diesel to clean up the emissions.

Jim.Allison
10-18-2016, 08:39 PM
Energy cannot be created or destroyed!!!! It can only change form.

There is no way to alter the energy it takes to move X load from point A to point B except through efficiency.

Today's trucks are more efficient than any produced in the history of the planet.

Bones
10-19-2016, 04:57 AM
Energy cannot be created or destroyed!!!! It can only change form.

There is no way to alter the energy it takes to move X load from point A to point B except through efficiency.

Today's trucks are more efficient than any produced in the history of the planet.

I'm not sure what your relating to but if you stop the choke hold on exhaust gases you recovered the lost energy used to force the exhaust through. However, The new engines today produce far more power than the engines of yesterday or they just bench mark them differently. :angel: