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JandK
10-14-2016, 04:48 PM
Hi folks! I am new to the forum, but appreciating all of your wisdom shared as my husband and I do our research and prepare to be on the road fulltime when he retires next year. We are planning to order our Heartland Landmark Newport next year at the Hershey RV Show. In the meantime, we must make a decision on a truck.

We know that we will purchase a 350/3500 diesel dually, as our unit weights in at 18000 lbs. However, we have not been truck owners before and I know that some of you are passionate about your truck. So please share your wisdom and advice - should we buy the new 2017 Ford 350 that just came out, or the 3500 Silverado/Sierra? Both seem to have great towing capacity, but is there any major difference between them that you folks are aware of? We are not really considering the 3500 Ram - I'm not sure why, but maybe one of you will convince us that we should look at it also.

So I'm taking a survey of all you truck loving owners - which truck should we purchase to pull a Landmark around the country fulltime for the next 5 to 10 years? Thanks for your info!

MTPockets
10-14-2016, 04:53 PM
Personally prefer Ford, but you should get the truck you like the best.

jayc
10-14-2016, 04:59 PM
Everyone has a different opinion of the "best" truck. I am very happy with my 2011 Ram 3500 DRW. It tows my LM very well, gets decent fuel mileage and very comfortable to ride in.

Good luck with your choice.

ram_1955
10-14-2016, 05:05 PM
I love my Ford.
check out www.Rvsafety.org they have info on matching trucks and trailers

Lynn1130
10-14-2016, 05:07 PM
You might want to start by researching each truck, their tow numbers, the fuel mileage and reports by major unbiased outfits that evaluate trucks and the trucks that you are considering. Consumer Reports does surveys of vehicle owners and gives reports on most all. Some of the truck magazines do in-depth evaluations of every phase of new trucks as they come out. You will get a lot of information here and I am sure some of it will help but most will be pretty biased. I have never owned a Ford or Dodge and would not own either so I can tell you about Chevys and Duramax trucks but that's it so you get a pretty one sided review depending upon who owns and drives what. Personally if I were unknowing about trucks in general and had a year to look I would be visiting a number of dealers and driving every truck I was interested in.

kowAlski631
10-14-2016, 05:23 PM
Our Silverado would be our pick again. But check the towing specs on any you're considering.

Enjoy!

Diamondjim
10-14-2016, 05:50 PM
Don't ignore consideration of the RAM3500. We put 8K on our 2005 RAM2500HD this summer (as snowbirds to Ohio & NE) and could not be more pleased with our 4 months on the road.

Listen to others suggestions to get all the specs and go from there.

Good Luck with your decision.

Oregon_Camper
10-14-2016, 06:14 PM
Your question is too hard to really answer....it's like asking which is the best color in a rainbow.... :)

Go look at all brands and pick the one you like the best. They all the pos/neg over each other. We love our F-350, but my buddy has Ram and that is a sweet truck as well.

Lynn1130
10-14-2016, 06:38 PM
A place to start and there are a bunch of these reviews out there.

http://www.edmunds.com/truck/buying-guide/

SNOKING
10-14-2016, 06:46 PM
Drive all three and buy the one "you" like the best. It is reported the GM is longer going to use the troublesome CP4-2 injection pump in 2017. So Ford is the remaining one using this injection pump. RAM still uses the more reliable CP3 injection pump.

However all three will tow your planned new trailer. When we bought our new 2015 RAM last year, we bought a 120K 8 year warranty. It is the second warranty I have ever purchased, as these new trucks are very complex. Chris

"Hi-Viz" Bill
10-14-2016, 07:12 PM
Hi folks! I am new to the forum, but appreciating all of your wisdom shared as my husband and I do our research and prepare to be on the road fulltime when he retires next year. We are planning to order our Heartland Landmark Newport next year at the Hershey RV Show. In the meantime, we must make a decision on a truck.

We know that we will purchase a 350/3500 diesel dually, as our unit weights in at 18000 lbs. However, we have not been truck owners before and I know that some of you are passionate about your truck. So please share your wisdom and advice - should we buy the new 2017 Ford 350 that just came out, or the 3500 Silverado/Sierra? Both seem to have great towing capacity, but is there any major difference between them that you folks are aware of? We are not really considering the 3500 Ram - I'm not sure why, but maybe one of you will convince us that we should look at it also.

So I'm taking a survey of all you truck loving owners - which truck should we purchase to pull a Landmark around the country fulltime for the next 5 to 10 years? Thanks for your info!


We're just NEW to this RV life also .. My new '16 GMC DRW Denali is a "beast" & pulls our new LM3645 Newport like it wasn't even there .. And IMO, there's nothing more distinctive than the Front Grill of our GMC !!!
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Jim.Allison
10-14-2016, 08:22 PM
Hi folks! I am new to the forum, but appreciating all of your wisdom shared as my husband and I do our research and prepare to be on the road fulltime when he retires next year. We are planning to order our Heartland Landmark Newport next year at the Hershey RV Show. In the meantime, we must make a decision on a truck.

We know that we will purchase a 350/3500 diesel dually, as our unit weights in at 18000 lbs. However, we have not been truck owners before and I know that some of you are passionate about your truck. So please share your wisdom and advice - should we buy the new 2017 Ford 350 that just came out, or the 3500 Silverado/Sierra? Both seem to have great towing capacity, but is there any major difference between them that you folks are aware of? We are not really considering the 3500 Ram - I'm not sure why, but maybe one of you will convince us that we should look at it also.

So I'm taking a survey of all you truck loving owners - which truck should we purchase to pull a Landmark around the country fulltime for the next 5 to 10 years? Thanks for your info!

Not exactly sure why you would not consider the Ram with its formidable 6.7 Cummins Diesel and AISIN 6 speed transmission. I bought a 2500, SRW, Crew, short bed, 4X4, with the 6.7 for my Big Country. I bought the BC and the Truck at the same time and did not realize that the 2500 required some mods to efficiently tow my 15500 GVWR BC. Still it's performance was incredible, and it was one size too small. RECENTLY, based on my experience with the 2500 SRW, I purchased the 2017 RAM 3500 in the same configuration except I ordered the long bed and AISIN transmission. One of the features of the 6.7 that I like is 15000 mile oil and filter changes. AND I like the fact that the Ram has 2 less cylinders, and basically performs as well as the competition with 900 ft lbs of torque, and that the SRW has more than adequate payload capacity to handle my pin load, and the towing capacity is well within the limits of my power train.

One thing that scared me away from the Ford is that they were having some mechanical problems with their newly designed power stroke. I learned that in order to repair some problems with the power stroke the cab has to be removed. It may not mean much while still under warranty but an engine repair requiring removal of the cab out of warranty could be quite expensive.

When I was shopping I was enamored with the Ford, particularly with the "King Ranch" edition. It was well appointed, but like I said I feared the problems I might encounter with the Ford. I never considered the GM product, although the motor and powertrain of the GM product is proven.

Once I decided to postpone my purchase of the Ford, I began looking closely at the RAM truck at the behest of a friend. I'm glad I did, I have not had any problems with my 2013 RAM, and my 2017 is a pure joy to drive.

I did have one problem with the 2013, but most of that relatively minor, but aggravating problem was exacerbated by an incompetent dealer service department. I changed dealers and service departments and the problem was solved.

In the end, I found the RAM Laramie as nicely appointed, or better appointed than the Ford. I love the performance.

Minor annoyance, is the RAM telephone interface will not allow voice text with Apple iPhone devices.

Good luck in your Truck purchase. BTW YouTube is a great resource for Truck reviews. Search problems and reviews for the truck model you are considering and see for yourself what people are saying.

Doublegranch
10-14-2016, 08:49 PM
Hey Jim: They must have changed to program on the 2017, my 2016 has life time oil and filter changes every 5,000 miles for the life I own the truck..regardless of total mileage.

Jim.Allison
10-14-2016, 09:04 PM
Hey Jim: They must have changed to program on the 2017, my 2016 has life time oil and filter changes every 5,000 miles for the life I own the truck..regardless of total mileage.

Nothing has changed. According the owner's manual the oil change interval for a Cummins 6.7 is 15K, and has been that way since 2013. Glad you have a program, I would take advantage of it, but it was not part of my deal. Anyway, I prefer to change my own oil so I that I can control the brand, and insure the correct oil is used.

TravelTiger
10-14-2016, 09:38 PM
We're just NEW to this RV life also .. My new '16 GMC DRW Denali is a "beast" & pulls our new LM3645 Newport like it wasn't even there .. And IMO, there's nothing more distinctive than the Front Grill of our GMC !!!
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Love that grill!

We go to the State Fair of Texas nearly every year where they have all the new cars and trucks for the next year on display, for you to sit in and check out, side by side, without having to deal with any salespeople. They do have representatives on hand to answer questions.

Anyway, sitting in all three, we liked the Dodge and GM products better than Ford. From there, we looked for used to get it in a price range we liked. Have had 2 GMC trucks before this one, so we leaned that way.

Love ours!
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Doublegranch
10-14-2016, 09:47 PM
Erika:

Is this the picture where you had to trim the tree to get in or out of the site????

TravelTiger
10-14-2016, 10:09 PM
Erika:

Is this the picture where you had to trim the tree to get in or out of the site????

No that pic is at The NTX rally in Weatherford.

Here's our site at our current park. We did some trimming earlier this spring but it needs it again!

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SNOKING
10-14-2016, 11:08 PM
Nothing has changed. According the owner's manual the oil change interval for a Cummins 6.7 is 15K, and has been that way since 2013. Glad you have a program, I would take advantage of it, but it was not part of my deal. Anyway, I prefer to change my own oil so I that I can control the brand, and insure the correct oil is used.

15K or 6 months for new Ram/Cummins oil changes.

Jim.Allison
10-14-2016, 11:13 PM
15K or 6 months for new Ram/Cummins oil changes.

Correct!!!!! I have made it to 15K once. The 6 month mark, or a major trip will cause me to change my oil prior to 15K.

Some sample, and test their oil and go a lot further than 15K, but a oil and filter change are not that much more than the sample testing.

hoefler
10-15-2016, 08:12 AM
All three will perform exceptionally when kept with in their limits. Almost, if not more importantly, is to find a dealer with a competant and well trained service department.

coram8
10-15-2016, 08:40 AM
Ditto on the GMC grill!
My last two trucks have been a Duromax and I think the Allison transmission is almost bulletproof. That being said, I think any one of the three, Dodge, Ford, or GM, in a 3500/350 DRW setup will handle the trailer just fine. It really comes down to which truck fits you. I personally think the seat and driving a GMC is more comfortable. Find which one has the trim level and accessories that you like.
BTW, the numbers are out on the 2017 Duromax. 445 HP and 910 ft lbs of torque! Quite a bit more than my 2015.
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JandK
10-15-2016, 11:57 AM
Hi again folks! Thanks for all of the great wisdom and recommendations. Keep that info coming. We will include the Dodge Ram in our test drives since some of you are Ram enthusiasts. Should I assume that the Silverado and Sierra are essentially the same truck, or should we be test driving 4 trucks rather than 3? I'm also thinking that purchasing a 3500 diesel dually used might be difficult. I don't know how many of those are on dealer lots or on the market - seems as though the SRW would be much easier to find used.....

billk263
10-15-2016, 01:01 PM
I would research the trucks, then drive them all. You will know. We drove all 3 as we did not have a preference. We did not like the fords, just didn't like the way they felt... I couldn't get past the def tank hanging so low on the Chevy / GMC, but it is one nice truck! But we really liked the RAM and bought one. It was really just preference.


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Sarge
10-15-2016, 07:10 PM
I drove all three 3500 duallies.

The interior / quiet cab / and the deal ($20k better deal) sold me on the RAM.

They offered $6k more for my Jeep on trade - Plus the rebate went from $2500 to $5k while I was deciding.

Mine is a daily driver - Takes some getting used to for parking and drive thrus -

But everyone seems to move over in the fast lane.... :cool:

Sarge

farside291
10-18-2016, 11:49 AM
We just bought the 2016 Ram Longhorn. Is it true the ASIN only comes in Standard Cab 2 Wheel drive?

Doublegranch
10-18-2016, 12:21 PM
[QUOTE=farside291;513542]We just bought the 2016 Ram Longhorn. Is it true the ASIN only comes in Standard Cab 2 Wheel drive?

[No that is not true....I have a 2016 3500 mega cab, short bed, 4x4 and it has the Aisin Trans...wonderful, wonderful trany...]

farside291
10-18-2016, 12:33 PM
Every truck on the lot(s) did not have the ASIN. I would have had to order the truck. Then I read that it only came in 2WD and STD cab trucks. I thought well, that explains it. Oh well, we'll see how this one tows. Just got it Friday and will tow back home this Friday. We chose the Ram because of the $20K off sticker plus the $4500 in rebates. Ford/Chevy could touch that pricing. Been a die hard Chevy guy forever but...I have turned to the other side:)

danemayer
10-18-2016, 01:58 PM
We just bought the 2016 Ram Longhorn. Is it true the ASIN only comes in Standard Cab 2 Wheel drive?

We have the ASIN in our 2014 3500 4WD crew cab longbed with 3.73 rear end.

billk263
10-18-2016, 02:52 PM
We as well have a 2016 Ram 3500 mega cab short bed, dually. Looked very hard for it, but found one. Had to travel to get it.
But, try and find one with a sun roof......[emoji53]


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farside291
10-18-2016, 03:46 PM
I have the sun roof and 4X4 and would have preferred to not have either! People say I'm crazy to want a 2-wheel drive, but when I bought the BC I took Off Road and U-turn out of my vocabulary and driving in the Hot Texas sun with the Sun Roof open is just too hot. I do have a question, what's the little back window for? Ventilation?

Doublegranch
10-18-2016, 03:52 PM
I travel with two "Aussie" girls and on days that don't require AC, I crack open the back window and have the sun roof in the vent position and you get a nice air flow from front to back of the truck without the noise from an open sunroof.
Also it's just cracked enough so they can stick their nose out with worry of climbing outside.

Jim_Hull
10-18-2016, 03:58 PM
I am on my 3rd Ford F-350, this one being a DRW. Before that I had a Chevy with the Duramx and Allison tranny. I do not have anything bad to say about either. The one thing I would point out about the Ford is that I have added rear air bags to this one and the one before it because of sag in the rear end. It is not bad, but I felt it was needed for a more level ride. An additional $600 to $1200, depending on whether you do it yourself or hire it done. The 6.7l Powerstroke is a beast, as is the Duramax. You cant go worng with any of them, so get the one you like best. Happy shopping.

Jim

JohnD
10-18-2016, 04:21 PM
I have the sun roof and 4X4 and would have preferred to not have either!

All it will take is a little mud or gravel and some rain or snow . . . and you'll be glad you have that 4x4.

Most especially with the trailer hitched up.

Lynn1130
10-18-2016, 04:45 PM
Yep, I have watched one or two 2 wheel drive trucks trying to move up a wet muddy or grassy grade pulling a trailer. I even asked one guy if he wanted me to pull him up the hill.

Sarge
10-18-2016, 06:24 PM
My RAM had every option box checked.

How can the neighbors hear Metalica without the sunroof open...?

On the Aisin trans - I thought it was the option that boosted our max load handling....

Sarge

SNOKING
10-18-2016, 07:45 PM
My RAM had every option box checked.

How can the neighbors hear Metalica without the sunroof open...?

On the Aisin trans - I thought it was the option that boosted our max load handling....

Sarge

No, with the Aisin you get more HP and torque and slightly less load rating due to it's heavier weight. Chris

Jim.Allison
10-18-2016, 07:45 PM
We just bought the 2016 Ram Longhorn. Is it true the ASIN only comes in Standard Cab 2 Wheel drive?

Just bought a 2017 4X4 SRW long bed with an AISIN, BUT what you may be talking about is the diff, the SRW's is offered with only one diff, the DRW's have a broad diff selection.

SNOKING
10-18-2016, 07:56 PM
Just bought a 2017 4X4 SRW long bed with an AISIN, BUT what you may be talking about is the diff, the SRW's is offered with only one diff, the DRW's have a broad diff selection.

Aisin is available only 3500's. All SRW trucks have tall 3:42 gears. The 3500 duallies can be had with 3:42, 3:73, or 4:10 gears. The Aisin has low ratios for 1st and 2nd gear compared to the 68RFE RAM tranny, which really helps the SRW trucks in getting a load off the line and moving.

Bed and cab length has nothing to do with Transmission or gear selection. Crew Cab SB trucks are not available as a duallie, however the Mega Cab has the option for a dually. Mega Cab also only comes in SB version.

So all 2500 only have the RAM 68RFE tranny and 3:42 gears.

Our truck is a SB CC 4x4 Aisin with 3:42 385HP and 865 torque. The 2016/17's are 385/900.

Chris

JohnD
10-19-2016, 12:17 AM
Aisin is available only 3500's. All SRW trucks have tall 3:42 gears. The 3500 duallies can be had with 3:42, 3:73, or 4:10 gears. The Aisin has low ratios for 1st and 2nd gear compared to the 68RFE RAM tranny, which really helps the SRW trucks in getting a load off the line and moving.

Bed and cab length has nothing to do with Transmission or gear selection. Crew Cab SB trucks are not available as a duallie, however the Mega Cab has the option for a dually. Mega Cab also only comes in SB version.

So all 2500 only have the RAM 68RFE tranny and 3:42 gears.

Our truck is a SB CC 4x4 Aisin with 3:42 385HP and 865 torque. The 2016/17's are 385/900.

Chris

My Chevy 2500HD SRW has the 4:10 rear end.

AAdams
10-19-2016, 07:51 AM
We had a '14 Ram 3500 DRW Cummins/Aisin/4.10 and had nothing but problems. 17 times in the shop in 10 months( Not counting recalls ). Most of the problems were nothing major, but it did scare the you know what out of me when I was doing 65 mph towing our rig and the computer decided it was a good time to go in to 4 wheel drive.... that wasn't fun. Or when the computer thought I no longer needed my ABS function on my brakes, or when it thought I no longer needed the ASC function, TMPS didn't work right, the Nav system would lock up and rest....mind you these are all computer problems ( but different computer problems so no lemon ) Then there was the whine that was something they said was normal after testing the truck for 17 days after saying "we have never heard that before... ".
I will say I liked the truck, the features, how it drove, abilities of the truck... I just thought that I had way too many problems for a $65k truck and they, Chrysler / RAM / Fiat, were a pain to work with. I complained enough that they "locked" my VIN. ( I thought I had every right to complain after spending that kind of money and having so many problems ) So when I went to the dealer, the dealers had to call RAM/Chrysler/Fiat before they could pull my truck in to the shop.

We traded for a '16 Ford F350 and have been happy... also got more from the Ford dealer in trade than any of the RAM dealers at various places across the US would give us... we have one problem with the Ford that they will fix once we drop it off for a week that is cosmetic. The little panel that covers the bolts that hold on the dash will not stay in place. The problem is the dash board, not the panel, so I need a new dash.

What ever you decide be sure to look at the sticker on the truck to make sure it will tow and have the payload capabilities for the pin weight of your rig. The salesman do not know and really do not care, they just need the number on the board and once you sign on the dotted line it isn't their problem anymore.

SNOKING
10-19-2016, 07:56 AM
My Chevy 2500HD SRW has the 4:10 rear end.

All Duramax's come with only 3:73 gears. Chris

TravelTiger
10-19-2016, 01:29 PM
All Duramax's come with only 3:73 gears. Chris

He has a gasser, I believe.


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JohnD
10-19-2016, 02:03 PM
He has a gasser, I believe.

Yup!

But don't tell anyone it was me . . . :o

SNOKING
10-19-2016, 02:29 PM
He has a gasser, I believe.


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I knew that, we were talking about diesel RAM gear ratios, and got gassed! :D:D:D

LBR
10-20-2016, 09:37 AM
Oh boy...a truck survey!

I love my Ford DRW even tho it was a later year 2003 6.0 with 4.88 gears...the truck chassis and suspension is bulletproof, but we all are aware of 6.0 idiosyncrasies.

Hopefully in 2 years we will move higher up the scale to a M2 Freightliner.... is our hopes at this time.

farside291
11-03-2016, 11:33 AM
Ok, towed with the new Ram and the BC, Wow, what a difference. I can actually accelerate going up a grade with the trailer in tow. It is also nice to be able to hear the radio again while going 65mph towing. Never realized how noisy my Duramax was with the Banks exhaust. No mods required for the Ram, very happy with plenty of extra power. With 400 miles on the odometer I netted 9.4 mpg at 65 - 68 mph. 1400 miles on the odometer and netted 10.2 at the same speed. Those are with the trailer packed for 4 adults for 40 days on the road. And just a note, 1400 miles and the DEF gauge hasn't moved.

SNOKING
11-03-2016, 01:34 PM
Ok, towed with the new Ram and the BC, Wow, what a difference. I can actually accelerate going up a grade with the trailer in tow. It is also nice to be able to hear the radio again while going 65mph towing. Never realized how noisy my Duramax was with the Banks exhaust. No mods required for the Ram, very happy with plenty of extra power. With 400 miles on the odometer I netted 9.4 mpg at 65 - 68 mph. 1400 miles on the odometer and netted 10.2 at the same speed. Those are with the trailer packed for 4 adults for 40 days on the road. And just a note, 1400 miles and the DEF gauge hasn't moved.

Towing the DEF gauge will move. Bob tail is goes and goes! Chris

Doublegranch
11-03-2016, 02:34 PM
I am averaging around 1200 miles per gallon of DEF when towing on my 16 Ram...
avg 1500 -1600 per gallon non towing.

Jim.Allison
11-03-2016, 08:02 PM
DEF is a non factor. But I will say that I can never tell when it's going to use a bunch. I left San Antonio heading for El Paso via hwy 90. I left full of DEF. I got out to Alpine where they had a new Valero with DEF at the pump. So I decided to get some while I was there, I was sure I had used some on that very "hilly" terrain. I put the nozzle in the DEF tank and started pumping. It clicked off right away. I thought that had to be wrong, so I started pumping again! It spilled over. I was amazed at how little I used on that trip. On another trip, I used quite a bit. But all in all it is a non factor for my RAM.

ramdually4100king
11-03-2016, 08:41 PM
I'm starting to think like the 5.9l ram guys in that I'm glad my 2009 ram does not require DEF. I'll probably run this truck until it dies on the road.

I'm currently thinking about long bedding my mega cab and putting a CM ER flatbed on with a B&W turnover companion. If I do I'll post pics towing the 4100.

jmgratz
11-03-2016, 08:47 PM
We love our Ford F350 dually 6.7 L diesel. But ask 10 different people and you will get 10 different answers. I have always looked at the tow ratings to figure out what to buy. Not only is pulling power important but stopping power is also important. At 18000 you will be close to the max of a 1 ton truck and may have to move up to a F450 (4500) or even a F550 (5500). Look at the figures as they all look and ride great.

Dclaws54
11-03-2016, 08:57 PM
My Chevy 2500HD SRW has the 4:10 rear end.

Like my Ram 3500 Srw with 4:10 gears


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caissiel
11-12-2016, 11:30 PM
I like my 2005 F250 with great 6.0l International not Powerstroke setup. Lost $7000 in depreciation in 10 years of ownership. Cost $2000 to bullet proof it last fall. The truck has been programed to 410 HP for 10 years and has power to spare towing our BC3500 with fantastic fuel milleage. Previously had a GM 6.5L diesel that was flawless for 9 years. Did modifications to engine controls that cost $4.00 to gain 7 mpg hiway not towing.
If only the trucks we buy and spend a fortune could be build right. No plans for an other truck in the near future with the present truck better then when it was new.

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LBR
11-13-2016, 06:49 AM
I like my 2005 F250 with great 6.0l International not Powerstroke setup. Lost $7000 in depreciation in 10 years of ownership. Cost $2000 to bullet proof it last fall. The truck has been programed to 410 HP for 10 years and has power to spare towing our BC3500 with fantastic fuel milleage. Previously had a GM 6.5L diesel that was flawless for 9 years. Did modifications to engine controls that cost $4.00 to gain 7 mpg hiway not towing.
If only the trucks we buy and spend a fortune could be build right. No plans for an other truck in the near future with the present truck better then when it was new.

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What kind of setup do you have on your 6.0 if it's not the Powerstroke?

Jesstruckn/Jesstalkn
11-13-2016, 11:12 AM
As a big GMC Duramax/Allison fan the new 2017 F-350 platinum has pulled me over to the dark side. I still haven't seen my new Ford yet so I can't give you my opinion yet.
The 2017 GMC are just released so I don't know how much longer you'll have to wait to drive one. If you're wanting to drive both I would definitely wait for the 2017 GM to hit the floor then go drive both the GM and Ford and see what one fits your needs.
The new Ford
440 HP
924 torque
27,500 pounds towing with fithwheel

GM
445 HP
915 torque
22,300 I think are the numbers for GM DRW

Both are perfect trucks but the Ford platinum has a lot more bells and whistles the the GMC Denali does.
Also the Ford fills the Def on the side next to the fuel filler. GM is under the hood in a horrible place.
Drive both

Good luck
Jerrod

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caissiel
11-13-2016, 10:15 PM
When I bought the truck used with 70k, I was one of the first on the Powerstroke Forum to try new method off appling the International system of cooling the engine with ELC coolant. It was the coolant International was using at the time and Ford refused to use it from day one. We were a few on line that believed it was the solution while a lot of owners were skeptic and were changing EGR coolers left and right by Ford without changing oil coolers. We had determined that the Ford yellow coolant was leaving a deposit in the oil coolers that blooked the coolant to the EGR. Ford was at the time blaming International for leaving sand in their castings. Of course International did not have the same problem so we concluded it was the coolant. I switched right away after 70 k miles but it was to late the oil cooler and EGR was blocking a bit and I elected the change the oil cooler that lasted since and still runs clean after 120k extra miles. I did do the studs and gaskets last fall as a precaution. The gaskets were good but the 2 bolts on the front driver side cylinder had stretched. I blamed it on my Hypertech programing and now she is no longer Ford or Powerstroke. She is mine, like my 98 6.5L that GM never once helped me with my fuel mileage and others pump problems. I fixed my GM by moving the pump control modual to the fender like I was told in the GM Forum. Again for the price they sell these trucks they are never right from the factory, and never supported. I also have a GM 6.2L diesel successful story. Also repaired by on line experiment.

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LBR
11-13-2016, 10:55 PM
When I bought the truck used with 70k, I was one of the first on the Powerstroke Forum to try new method off appling the International system of cooling the engine with ELC coolant. It was the coolant International was using at the time and Ford refused to use it from day one. We were a few on line that believed it was the solution while a lot of owners were skeptic and were changing EGR coolers left and right by Ford without changing oil coolers. We had determined that the Ford yellow coolant was leaving a deposit in the oil coolers that blooked the coolant to the EGR. Ford was at the time blaming International for leaving sand in their castings. Of course International did not have the same problem so we concluded it was the coolant. I switched right away after 70 k miles but it was to late the oil cooler and EGR was blocking a bit and I elected the change the oil cooler that lasted since and still runs clean after 120k extra miles. I did do the studs and gaskets last fall as a precaution. The gaskets were good but the 2 bolts on the front driver side cylinder had stretched. I blamed it on my Hypertech programing and now she is no longer Ford or Powerstroke. She is mine, like my 98 6.5L that GM never once helped me with my fuel mileage and others pump problems. I fixed my GM by moving the pump control modual to the fender like I was told in the GM Forum. Again for the price they sell these trucks they are never right from the factory, and never supported. I also have a GM 6.2L diesel successful story. Also repaired by on line experiment.

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Thanx for the in-depth reply. I'm on that same site and follow some of the issues that pertain to mine, but must have missed or passed over the different coolant usage....great to know for future use!

caissiel
11-14-2016, 11:24 AM
When the EGR cooler removed the coolant is not as important but better be safe then sorry. After 9 years the oil cooler is perfectly clean. Also the Hypertech MaxEnergy has performed very well for 9 years on level 2 with 85 HP increase. Never given any codes and without the programing the trailer realy feels heavy and the engine labours much more when towing.

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