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porthole
08-27-2018, 12:19 PM
For 8+ seasons of using LevelUp I never saw a need for them. I even turned down a set for "free - evaluation", as I saw it as not something useful for me. Or, "a solution for a problem we didn't know we had"

I gave in earlier this year and ordered a six pack of the pads.

No longer having a need for the dimensional 2 x 12's I was using, I left most of the wood blocking in the shed.

Two weeks ago we had a mini campout, might even have been a mini Wilkins RV campout, in soggy Pennsylvania.

One thing I can say is, when you run G-114's at 125 PSI you have narrow tires that don't flex much. Couple that with soft ground and you may leave some work for the grounds crew after you leave.

I still used wood blocking for my front jacks to minimize ram extension, but had nothing to put under the rear jacks.
With the SnapPads on the jack pads the diameter is a few inches more then the rut left by the tires. Just enough that when the jack is down and you start lifting the trailer, you CAN bend the jack pads.

I don't know if the pads bent when leveling or just the trailer settling into the ground. Either way I now have four dinner plate shaped jack pads.


So, if you use the snappads, and you are on soft ground, I would recommend some type of wood under the pad to distribute the weight properly. Something that will not flex and bend your LevelUp pads.

Had I used my 21" x 12" x 2" jack pads, the pounds per square inch load would have been significantly lower, less then half (16psi versus 35psi).

Sowie
08-27-2018, 08:53 PM
Sorry to hear this happened. I too have been wondering if the snap pads were a worthy investment. I used some plastic lumber decking that I double layered and made into 12” square pads to give extra support and a couple inches of extra lift.

Is it the angle the picture is taken at or does the piston assembly look slightly off from vertical?


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LBR
08-27-2018, 10:02 PM
The vertical ram is supposed to be off-vertical...both side rams are to be pushing inward a scootch.

jbeletti
08-27-2018, 10:52 PM
Duane - what you experienced may be more typical of what you might run into based on your camping locations and weather. I've had a far better experience overall.

I used this product across several RVs, dozens of states and several hundred setups. I really like it and I don't miss carrying and setting out boards. I carry some 8x8s for that one time a year I need more extension.

Thanks for sharing your experience and I hope it causes our readers to ponder if they'll ever be in that same situation and what they might need to have on hand "just in case".

CDN
08-28-2018, 05:21 AM
I could see that happening where I camp in provincial parks, wet uneven ground. I was at a music festival and parking in a field with the same type of soft soil. I use these under my level up system.


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I carry 6 16 inch now and 2 12 inch I used with my earlier Travel Trailer. If the jacks need to slip sideways a bit they can easily. Local RV dealers here in farm country are selling them.

They are designed for pole barns and decks. I just found out they make 24 inch pads now. I am going to purchase these for the landing gear. These would be a good option under snap pads.

busted2341
08-28-2018, 09:43 AM
I love the snap pads but whenever we are on grass or any soft surface I use a 12 x 12 block under them...

porthole
08-28-2018, 10:10 AM
Sorry to hear this happened. I too have been wondering if the snap pads were a worthy investment. I used some plastic lumber decking that I double layered and made into 12” square pads to give extra support and a couple inches of extra lift.

Is it the angle the picture is taken at or does the piston assembly look slightly off from vertical?



LevelUp is designed to be installed on a 3-5 degree outward angle for stability purposes.
Sometime they are, sometimes they are not.

When we had LevelUp installed, I pulled our Cyclone right in after SpringerDan's Cyclone pulled out of the shop.
His jacks were about 5 degrees, ours were all vertical.

At one of the Goshen rallies, the LevelUp techs that were around to help suggested angling my jacks with washers, which I did.

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Duane - what you experienced may be more typical of what you might run into based on your camping locations and weather. I've had a far better experience overall.

I used this product across several RVs, dozens of states and several hundred setups. I really like it and I don't miss carrying and setting out boards. I carry some 8x8s for that one time a year I need more extension.

Thanks for sharing your experience and I hope it causes our readers to ponder if they'll ever be in that same situation and what they might need to have on hand "just in case".


Jim, as you know, in the north east we have been fairly soggy as of late. Rain every weekend since Memorial Day. Soggy enough that one member could not get out of his yard to join us for the campout.

I've been in soft ground before, as many know, we had to be winched out of the Dover race track field two years in a row. The difference then was I was still using my 2 x 12's. I had to dig out the blocks, but the jack feet did not bend.


My point of posting is to make others aware. The G-114's leave a narrow rut and we were sunk in a good 4+ inches I would guess. So, wood blocking would be advised if you are dropping the pads into a depression near the same size or smaller of the steel pad.

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I will probably leave the front snap pads on though as I still keep my original 21 x 12 x 2 boards in the propane compartment. I tend to use the boards any time I am not on pavement or hard pack.

travelin2
08-28-2018, 11:34 AM
Although my ruts weren’t as deep as Duane’s, my 12x12 blocks straddled the ruts I did make and provided the surface area necessary for the week’s wet conditions. Duane had the wettest spot of the group [emoji14][emoji14]
No snap pads here. Always have blocking along. Been at too many spots where it’s required

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MCTalley
08-28-2018, 10:59 PM
We've had Snappads for a while now. I still carry two sets (20 total) Lynx levelers and six 12x12 square rubber pads (two that I made from a horse stall mat). Whenever I need to put something under my jacks, I toss down a square rubber pad and an appropriate stack of Lynx levelers on top before leveling the coach.

porthole
08-29-2018, 05:22 AM
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And this is after 3 days of sun :cool:

JWalker
08-29-2018, 06:13 AM
And this is after 3 days of sun :cool:

Doesn't look like it's going to get any better this weekend on this side of PA. Potentially, heading into the same senecio.

Sowie
08-29-2018, 07:51 AM
LevelUp is designed to be installed on a 3-5 degree outward angle for stability purposes.
Sometime they are, sometimes they are not.

When we had LevelUp installed, I pulled our Cyclone right in after SpringerDan's Cyclone pulled out of the shop.
His jacks were about 5 degrees, ours were all vertical.

At one of the Goshen rallies, the LevelUp techs that were around to help suggested angling my jacks with washers, which I did.

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Jim, as you know, in the north east we have been fairly soggy as of late. Rain every weekend since Memorial Day. Soggy enough that one member could not get out of his yard to join us for the campout.

I've been in soft ground before, as many know, we had to be winched out of the Dover race track field two years in a row. The difference then was I was still using my 2 x 12's. I had to dig out the blocks, but the jack feet did not bend.


My point of posting is to make others aware. The G-114's leave a narrow rut and we were sunk in a good 4+ inches I would guess. So, wood blocking would be advised if you are dropping the pads into a depression near the same size or smaller of the steel pad.

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I will probably leave the front snap pads on though as I still keep my original 21 x 12 x 2 boards in the propane compartment. I tend to use the boards any time I am not on pavement or hard pack.

I checked my jacks and they are vertical. I see the pro in them being canted should minimize any rocking motion however I also see where the pads and piston could get stressed more as the pads only swivel very slightly for uneven terrain and this puts an angular pressure on the piston seals and piston itself. I could not find anything on lci site on installation best practices. This may be a subject for further research and discussion as I would like to possibly angle mine for the additional stability. Anyone else out there with the angled jacks and any issues?


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travelin2
08-29-2018, 08:25 AM
Anyone else out there with the angled jacks and any issues?


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The jacks are canted out on our BH.
No issues...



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cookie
08-29-2018, 09:00 AM
This may be a subject for further research and discussion as I would like to possibly angle mine for the additional stability. Anyone else out there with the angled jacks and any issues?


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At some point in time I had that discussion with a Lippert installer and was told if I were to angle the jacks to go no more than 4°.

Peace
Dave

Jesstruckn/Jesstalkn
08-29-2018, 12:03 PM
Sorry to hear Duane
Like Jim, I've had my Snap-Pads on for a few years now and Love them. They have held up really well over the years. We have been all over the west in somewhere near 80 to 100 different trips/campsites in many different environments. None of which have been soft like what you were in there. I guess if I come across that I'll use some 2x's to support it. Thanks for posting. That stinks that you had to find out the hard way....
Up to now I rarely use anything. I back into my site and hit the Auto Level button and I'm done.
Level-up and Snap-Pad is the perfect combo for the other 95% of us.

Shortest Straw
08-29-2018, 12:36 PM
I drank the snap pad cool-aid and really do not see a benefit to having them. Maybe extending the life of the level-up pads vs rust? We have been on every surface you can park on since installing them, and really cannot see how they help with anything. We have always used blocks underneath on longer stays which helps with the stability of the rig when we are playing the Wii. ;)

esscobra
08-29-2018, 05:33 PM
very strange- I wonder if without the snappads or boards the same thing would happen to the pads- seems odd that the pads did not sink into gound and level out- I recently stayed at state park with very un level front to back- had to use Anderson blocks in rear and fronts were all the way up and was just barely level- was also concerned about the snap pads o the rear on top of Anderson blocks but had no issue- also I am believer in another benefit they provide - electrical insulation- we had several days of nasty electrical storms and lots of lightning - with a strike right next to my bighorn- which the rocks that flew up made several chips and a small dent in my door- which wee not there the weekend before when I washed and waxed it- storage lot is next to our city maintenance lot- which staff were there ready to respond to wind and flood damages, and the manager said he thought for sure it was a direct hit on my trailer- needless to say to 110 circuits were out as well as the electric gate - all fried- as well as the 3 units down from me ( probably were more but I can only confirm 3 ) all suffered burnt up electronics - needless to say when I got in to t my trailer for upcoming tip - was really concerned when I had no 12v power- fridge inverter killed batteries-luckily there was no burnt equipment and with help of truck connection and boostbox got generator running and able to use jacks to hitch up- I firmly believe that the rubber snap pads prevented all that electricity from doing damage to my bighorn coming up from the ground

porthole
09-16-2018, 10:53 AM
I firmly believe that the rubber snap pads prevented all that electricity from doing damage to my bighorn coming up from the ground




I think you just got lucky.

porthole
10-06-2018, 12:34 PM
Duane - what you experienced may be more typical of what you might run into based on your camping locations and weather.




We just came back from another soggy PA campout. I guess as long as we are traveling in the northeast I will continue to use my dimensional 2x's. Lyle, JJ and us - I think we took a thousand pounds of mud out of the campground.

Snap pads are not going back on and I'm a little disappointed that the snap pad response is 'ya shoulda used boards', which goes against their marketing hype.

The double sting is I was offered a set of 6 for evaluation 2 years ago and I turned them down as I didn't see a need or benefit ......

Jesstruckn/Jesstalkn
10-06-2018, 01:51 PM
What is it that you'd like SnapPad to do for you ????
I don't see any responsibility on thire part whatsoever.
If you don't want them I'll buy them from you and give em to someone that does.
We do not have much off road camping here in California so most of us love them out here.
So far your the only one I know of that is disappointed with them.

Happy trails
Jerrod




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JohnDar
10-06-2018, 03:15 PM
Campsite like that, you’d be better off with pontoons on your rig.


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travelin2
10-06-2018, 03:33 PM
Campsite like that, you’d be better off with pontoons on your rig.


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We were jokingly saying the same. I was there with Duane and being from PA I can attest to the extreme wetness. At home during the month of August we had 21” of rain, about 18” above average [emoji51][emoji51]


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Eric1234
10-06-2018, 11:06 PM
Hi

bummer to see your pictures of your bent landing gear pad. Hopefully we can all learn from one another and it doesn’t happen to someone else. At work our aerial ladder truck has outrigger pads we put down every time we use the ladder. I took that idea and got some DICA Outrigger Pads. I have the D2424 model that spreads the load over each landing gear over a 4’ square area and a 60,000 working load limit.

https://dicausa.com/safety-tech-outrigger-pads/

have be a good night

Eric

porthole
10-07-2018, 08:10 AM
Hi

bummer to see your pictures of your bent landing gear pad. Hopefully we can all learn from one another and it doesn’t happen to someone else. At work our aerial ladder truck has outrigger pads we put down every time we use the ladder. I took that idea and got some DICA Outrigger Pads. I have the D2424 model that spreads the load over each landing gear over a 4’ square area and a 60,000 working load limit.

https://dicausa.com/safety-tech-outrigger-pads/




Same here with the Ladder truck. Although over the years I don't see where 1/2" aluminum plate is sufficient for spreading the load over a significant area, it certainly does spread the load more then the outrigger pad alone. Our plates would bend some to match the terrain if needed, but always went back to flat when unloaded.

Those Dica pads are bit pricey for our use. Following through with your link and some searching there are a variety of similar pads of the synthetic design.

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Campsite like that, you’d be better off with pontoons on your rig.




Could be a choice!

After Tuesday's night tornado infused storm I had to move the RV about 15' closer to the road to get out of the mini lake surrounding our steps.

porthole
10-07-2018, 09:04 AM
What is it that you'd like SnapPad to do for you ????
I don't see any responsibility on thire part whatsoever.
If you don't want them I'll buy them from you and give em to someone that does.
We do not have much off road camping here in California so most of us love them out here.
So far your the only one I know of that is disappointed with them.

Happy trails
Jerrod




Jerrod, I can give them away just as well as anyone else..............

Not sure what you mean by off road camping. Off road for us is parking the RV on a surface that is not concrete. For the most part our campsites in the northeast are not paved.

Typically they are grass and or packed gravel.

As to your your question and comment regarding snap pads.

I am not the one who claim that crawling around under your RV or using and storing dirty blocks or boards are forever ended.

Some of these claims are dubious at best.

The SnapPad Difference
SnapPad won't just change how you use your RV, it'll change your camping experience. No more positioning jackpads or levelers under your RV. No more storing dirty blocks or boards. Durable and long lasting, SnapPads can withstand extreme weather and environmental conditions. SnapPads increase the stability and weight distribution of your rig, while protecting your jack foot from rust and other damage.
Installs in seconds. Stays on forever. Say goodbye to crawling under your rig every time you set up.
Snap it and forget it.
Your days of crawling around with boards and blocks are finally over. SnapPad is the world’s first and only permanently-attached jack pad. SnapPads go on in seconds and keep your RV stable for years.
Anti-slip
SnapPads are made from durable rubber that grips any terrain. No more popping jacks or slipping in high winds or slick surfaces like ice.
Protection
SnapPads absorb the daily punishment of the road and elements instead of your metal landing feet. Helps prevent the protective coating from being damaged by gravel, concrete, asphalt and the environment.
Electrical Insulator
Helps protect your family and electronics in the event of an electrical surge from a lightning strike.
Stability
SnapPad increases stability in 3 ways: a larger footprint, more vibration dampening, and by conforming to uneven terrain like gravel.


I have already proven you can't just eliminate your blocks or boards for the terrain we have been in this past season.
In the incident I first posted about I would have been better off without the snap pads and their "slightly increased" surface area. Had I only used the LevelUp pads there is still the very good chance I would have bent the pads. But, the reality is I would not have used the pads without my usual boards (3x12x18)

I see no "increased stability" while "protecting your jack foot"
Depending an the angle your rear jacks are mounted ( I have seen them from 0 to 6 degrees or more) you can see the steel pad sliding in the snap pad as you lift. On our trailer I have seen a gap around the inside edge of the pad as the pad 'slips' in the snap pad.

Your jack pads have already had the bottom surface coating 'damaged' before you ever saw your RV. And it doesn't hurt nor is it unsightly, since you can't see it anyway.
BTW, early snap pads did not have any drainage and that may have actually caused coating damage.

No more popping jacks? What does the pad have to do with that? That is a cylinder issue in the jack assembly.
Slipping in high winds? The highest winds we have camped in was a steady 30-40 frequently gusting to 60 for over 12 hours with over 10" of rain.
Without snap pads the Cyclone was still located in the same exact spot the next day, and that was on asphalt.

Ice? Anyone you thinks the RV will not slide on ice with just some rubber pads - well..........

Lightning strikes - I call 100% bull on that. I queried snap pads on that exact statement, copy of testing or report, never received a response.

It is a given that at a minimum you would need 5" or more of wood or something non conductive to offer even minimal protection. You would probably be better off having the jacks retracted. The jack pistons are insulated from the cylinders by the hydraulic oil. I have seen a forklift that took a hit and the result was every hydraulic cylinder had the seals blown out.

Some of your protection in most of the Heartland 5th wheels comes from the aluminum welded frame. But, since the roof is not welded to the sides, your Faraday Cage is diminished.

Vibration damping? You may have more expeierence with that.

We have only been camping during one earthquake (the one that damaged the Washington monument some years ago. No little rubber pad would have stopped that vibration.

To answer the question of what I expect from snap pads?

I would expect snap pad to replace my damaged jack pads.
I would expect snap pad to add a disclaimer to the marketing hype of never having to use boards. There are times where it may be in the best interest of the RV'er to use supplemental boards.

Final comment



So far your the only one I know of that is disappointed with them.



Over the many years or trucks, motorcycles, boats RV's etc I have found that many people don't accept that something they paid good money for does not live up to the hype.
I am not one of those people. If I have bought something and it doesn't live up to the the claims, I will not just grin and bear it.

Ask me about LiFEPO4 batteries in a year.
Ask me about the quality of certain high end 5th wheels - and you don't have to wait a year for that.