OMG i am over weight.

darkhawk

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on my recent trip i pulled into a truck scale and found out my gcwr was 640 lbs over weight. i tow a 2017 TQ325 with a 2008 ford f250 super duty. i purchased a Sherline (LM5) 5th Wheel Trailer Hitch Weight Scale to find out the weight on the 5th wheel hitch. it read 3050 lbs. seems a little high to me. that makes the actual weight of the trailer at 14620 and with the 15% ruler the weight should 2193 on the hitch. the max of the trailer is 16250 which should put the hitch weight at 2437. so, is he 15% just a guide to estimating the hitch weight?

i didn't have my 900 lb motorcycle in the garage, would this help alleviate some of the weight on the hitch?

the weight sheet from the scale should the following weight:
front axle 5610
rear axle 6660
trailer axles 11620
total axles 23640

any help is appreciated

Jerry aka darkhawk
 

PondSkum

Well-known member
I'm fairly sure 5th wheel weight is idealy between 15-25% range. And my findings are that toy haulers are heavier on the pin weight. My assumption is that with the toy in the back, it will offset some of the weight, but I haven't had a chance to weigh with my UTV in the back of my toy hauler yet. My gross is 15,500 and my pin weight was 3200 without a toy in the garage. That's right at 20%.


EDIT: the 3200 lb pin weight was with the actual trailer weight at 13,850 lbs on the scale, which is 23% pin weight.
 
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avvidclif

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The 2009 F350 CC Diesel SRW I traded off had these specs. My RV is a Cyclone HD 3418. 38' actual length. With 16' garage which ends in front of the axles.
Front Axle 5000
Rear Axle 6693
Gross 11k
GCVW 23k

Actual Weights
Front Axle 4660
Rear Axle 3580
Gross 8240

With Cyclone 3418 and HD Dyna in garage
Front 4520
Rear 7000
Trailer 11820
GCW 23340

That gives 3420 Pin weight and trailer weight of 15,240 for a 29% Pin weight. It pulled fine with that but several weights were over. I replaced the blue oval with a bowtie and added training wheels. No more problems.

In my case the design of my RV puts ALL the heavy stuff in front of the axles (typical of toy haulers). The generator, kitchen, bedroom, and bathroom are all ahead of the axles. As well as the bar, TV, water heater, heater, 100gal water tank, and 3 holding tanks (120 gal). Makes it very nose heavy. When I bought it spec's were not available and still aren't as far as pin weight and empty weight. I bought blind more or less and didn't have enough truck.

My experience. YMMV
 

Oldelevatorman

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The 2009 F350 CC Diesel SRW I traded off had these specs. My RV is a Cyclone HD 3418. 38' actual length. With 16' garage which ends in front of the axles.
Front Axle 5000
Rear Axle 6693
Gross 11k
GCVW 23k

Actual Weights
Front Axle 4660
Rear Axle 3580
Gross 8240

With Cyclone 3418 and HD Dyna in garage
Front 4520
Rear 7000
Trailer 11820
GCW 23340

That gives 3420 Pin weight and trailer weight of 15,240 for a 29% Pin weight. It pulled fine with that but several weights were over. I replaced the blue oval with a bowtie and added training wheels. No more problems.

In my case the design of my RV puts ALL the heavy stuff in front of the axles (typical of toy haulers). The generator, kitchen, bedroom, and bathroom are all ahead of the axles. As well as the bar, TV, water heater, heater, 100gal water tank, and 3 holding tanks (120 gal). Makes it very nose heavy. When I bought it spec's were not available and still aren't as far as pin weight and empty weight. I bought blind more or less and didn't have enough truck.

My experience. YMMV

Your math is way off. Your pin weight was only 23% fwiw!


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Oldelevatorman

Well-known member
on my recent trip i pulled into a truck scale and found out my gcwr was 640 lbs over weight. i tow a 2017 TQ325 with a 2008 ford f250 super duty. i purchased a Sherline (LM5) 5th Wheel Trailer Hitch Weight Scale to find out the weight on the 5th wheel hitch. it read 3050 lbs. seems a little high to me. that makes the actual weight of the trailer at 14620 and with the 15% ruler the weight should 2193 on the hitch. the max of the trailer is 16250 which should put the hitch weight at 2437. so, is he 15% just a guide to estimating the hitch weight?

i didn't have my 900 lb motorcycle in the garage, would this help alleviate some of the weight on the hitch?

the weight sheet from the scale should the following weight:
front axle 5610
rear axle 6660
trailer axles 11620
total axles 23640

any help is appreciated

Jerry aka darkhawk

All I've ever read, seen or heard on pin weight is between 20-25%! Adding the bike in the garage would take some weight off the pin but that might make the pin too light and effect your handling but it won't help the GCWR. Imo that truck isn't enough for any Toy Hauler. I'd say you're way over your truck's payload, which isn't safe!


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