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skyguy
03-23-2009, 02:06 PM
I have a Bighorn 3670 on order. After following some of the stories about the tires supplied with the Bighorn models, I am seriously considering upgrading my order to include the Goodyear tires that come on the Landmark models.

I am being quoted $550 by my dealer for the upgrade. Is this high? Low? Good?

Al S.

mrcomer
03-23-2009, 02:15 PM
I have a Bighorn 3670 on order. After following some of the stories about the tires supplied with the Bighorn models, I am seriously considering upgrading my order to include the Goodyear tires that come on the Landmark models.

I am being quoted $550 by my dealer for the upgrade. Is this high? Low? Good?

Al S.

DO It!!! It will cost you a lot more to do it after delivery.
$550/5 tires=$110 per tire. Awesome.

Mark

grizzlygiant
03-23-2009, 02:24 PM
That is a GREAT option at a very good price. Get it by all means. I had to pay two hundred dollars more than your price for Goodyear G614 with the new OEM trade-ins.

jmgratz
03-23-2009, 03:21 PM
To buy them after the fact it will run you a minimum of $250.00 per tire. $250.00 times 5 = $750.00. Seems like a no brainer to me.

cookie
03-23-2009, 03:32 PM
Uhh, Jim, you might want to have your calculator recalibrated. I multiplied $250 X 5, 63 times and allways come up with $1250.
Peace
Dave

Ray LeTourneau
03-23-2009, 04:03 PM
I wish I had that option way back then. I paid $225 ea. plus tax & balance.

kakampers
03-23-2009, 04:43 PM
I agree too...definitely jump on that deal...cost me over $1,300 two months into ownership.

We too wished we'd have had that option in 07' when we bought.:o

jddugan
03-23-2009, 04:52 PM
When I ordered my 3600RL last fall I paid $495 for the Goodyear 614 upgrade. The dealer said that was his cost and he would pass it on to me. $550 this year doesn't sound bad.

Niles
03-23-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm on the go for it also, sounds like a good deal.

skyguy
03-23-2009, 11:06 PM
Sounds good! I was glad to hear this would be available after I contacted my dealer. Even happier with the price. The selling dealer is 450 miles from us, and I could just imagine, with my luck, the trip home...

Done!

Thanks ll

Al S.

j. davidson
03-23-2009, 11:51 PM
We ordered a 2009 3055 Feb. 2008. We had the Goodyear G614s put on at the factory and also had the 7000 lb. axels put on instead of the standard 6000 lb. ones. We traveled Canada and Alaska last summer, over 15,000 miles and the only tire trouble we had was a screw in one of the trailer tires twice. It didn't even go flat and we were able to get to a tire dealer and have it fixed. We are very glad to have the Goodyears.
odie and janice davidson

Larryheadhunter
03-24-2009, 03:14 AM
I just went to a Goodyear Dealer last week and was quoted out the door for G614's $300 per tire, including steel stems, disposal of old tires, and mounting and balancing with tape weights. Every single tire dealer I went to told me to stick with the dreaded E-rated Michelin XPS tires, as they all said the G614's are 14 ply, and will shake the trailer up pretty badly while traveling. All said G rated were over kill. On the other hand all the senior RVers here in the forum swear by the G614's, even on 6,000 lb axles. I, myself am in a quandry about these choices. How stiff of a ride will it be, does it affect the ride in the truck, as I have a bad back?
I have asked this same questions on other treads and haven't really gotten solid answers. Steel stems are a must if u want to use the pressure pro system, sold by Pat McFall. You get a set of 8 so can include truck tires as well.
Ears are wide open, opinions needed.

jmgratz
03-24-2009, 07:48 AM
Uhh, Jim, you might want to have your calculator recalibrated. I multiplied $250 X 5, 63 times and allways come up with $1250.
Peace
Dave

Darn, another brain fart....:D

jmgratz
03-24-2009, 08:02 AM
I would not run E rated tires on our Landmark as they would be overloaded. Maybe the tire dealer would have to special order the 614's and would rather sell you something off the shelf. You need to look at weight issues also. If the E rated tires allow you to not overload the tires then the Es would be fine. I do not find the G rated tires to be an issue as far as shaking the trailer. The Goodyear 614 tire is for a trailer and is a great tire. But do not try and put a G rated tire on an E rated rim. The rim must be comparable with the tire. Putting a G tire on an E rim could lead to a catastrophic failure.

Bobby A
03-24-2009, 08:13 AM
Go for the upgrade from your dealer, my big horn is being built as we speek, I have the factory putting on the upgraded Goodyears for $695.00, I was told that was a good deal. I wanted the factory to do it because a lot of these tire shops don't know how to jack up the trailer properly. You could have a lot of problems if that happens. Just something to think about.
Bob

kakampers
03-24-2009, 08:48 AM
Larryheadhunter....I'm shocked that the dealer would refer to Michelin XPS Ribs as "dreaded"??? In the E load range that has proven to be the most reliable tire on the road.

In fact, if I could run E loads that's exactly what I'd have, hands down. Ran them on our TT and they eliminated ALL tire problems!! If I was in your shoes I would stick with the Ribs...best E load tire available...check the other forums, you'll see that's what everyone recommends for your load.

Larryheadhunter
03-25-2009, 02:13 AM
For clarification purposes, my aluminum rims are 16", and rated for 3750 lbs, 6,000 lb axles, and on the inside of the rims it says "G". Therefore I have the choice of G rated or E rated tires. My rig weighs 11,800 lbs empty, and CGWR is 14,800 lbs. My rig is 34' on the inside and almost 40' from pin cushion to ladder. And excuse my verbage about the Michelin XPS tires I am just confused which tire would be better for my rig and the smoothness, and safety of the ride.

kakampers
03-25-2009, 02:33 AM
I know it can be very confusing trying to figure which tire is best. I will say I've had experience with both tires, and as I stated earlier, if I could use an E load tire I'd have the Michelin, even over the Goodyear G614 anyday.

We have an unloaded weight of almost 13,000 and top out just over 16,000, leaving us with no choice but a G load tire...so Goodyears it is.

We have used Michelins on all of our trucks and on previous trailers...have never had a problem or failure...EVER! Don't honestly think I've ever seen a better made, stronger tire...especially the XPS Rib! If I had your unit that's what I would have on it...JMHO. Hope this helps:)

jmgratz
03-25-2009, 08:34 AM
I would recommend going with the same rated tire as the rating of the wheel. ie if you have a G rated rim then a G rated tire is what I would put on it. To be sure you do not overload the tire you should get the rig weighed by an outfit such as Weigh-It that weigh the rig by weighing individual axles. Then you will know how much weight is on each tire. The manufacturer puts on the weight rating of the axle and wheel that are compatable. So if it came with a G wheel then a G tire is what it should have. MY opnion.

Larryheadhunter
03-26-2009, 04:18 AM
Mine came with E rated wheels that were the Mission Tire bombs. Traveled over 12,000 miles with nary a problem so far. Just wanted to do something before I pay the price. I am leaning toward the Michelin's only cause we travel light and fixing stuff ain't my gig.

jmgratz
03-26-2009, 07:31 AM
If you have the E rated rims then putting a G rated tire on them would be a problem. The Michelin E rated tires would be a great fit. I would still suggest you get your rig weight by an outfit that could give you the weight for each individual tire. If you are going to the Heartland Rally in Goshen you should be able to get it done there.

Larryheadhunter
03-27-2009, 04:37 AM
Jim, I have E rated tires on my rig, but according to the rims it can take G rated and the G614's. One way or the other I am sure either will work out fine.
Thanks for all the advice. Still on the fence. LOL Wonder how long those Mission Tires will really last. Who knows? Sounds like a crap shoot.

Dave
03-28-2009, 10:40 AM
Tires are always an issue. I was convinced that Michelin XPS RIB was the campers choice for tires but on this post it appears Goodyear has won out! What's a tire shopper to do??!! I would like to replace the OEM Mission tires on my Sundance with EITHER Goodyear or Michelin but now I'm not sure which brand to purchase. To make matter more difficult, I want to replace the tires on the TV at the same time. So what is it, Goodyear or Michelins and how did you decide?
Thanks for your valuable input, be safe!!

Dave and Dorene
The Traveling Two

jmgratz
03-28-2009, 10:49 AM
Tires are always an issue. I was convinced that Michelin XPS RIB was the campers choice for tires but on this post it appears Goodyear has won out! What's a tire shopper to do??!! I would like to replace the OEM Mission tires on my Sundance with EITHER Goodyear or Michelin but now I'm not sure which brand to purchase. To make matter more difficult, I want to replace the tires on the TV at the same time. So what is it, Goodyear or Michelins and how did you decide?
Thanks for your valuable input, be safe!!

Dave and Dorene
The Traveling Two

I think the confusion is in the tire rating. Michelin does not make a G rated tire and Goodyear does. So if you get a G rated tire the consensus is the Goodyear 614 (made in America). If you have an E rated rim go with the Michelin XPS RIB. I have Michelins on my TV and Goodyear on the rig.

jbeletti
03-28-2009, 10:52 AM
Hi Dave,

I can't tell you which one is best for you but here is some information on them both:

Michelin - XPS Ribs
LT215/85R16/E
LT225/75R16/E
LT235/85R16/E
LT245/75R16/E
Link: http://www.michelinman.com/tires/light-truck/xps-rib/

Goodyear - G614RST
LT235/85R16/G
Link: http://www.goodyear.com/rv/products/g614rst.html

Only thing I can tell you is if you are considering the Goodyear G614RST, they are load range G tires, which means you must use load range G wheels. So make sure your wheels are stamped LR G or Load Range G or a weight that matches LR G rims.

Best of luck to you on your choice.

Jim

leftyf
03-28-2009, 11:03 AM
Tires are always an issue. I was convinced that Michelin XPS RIB was the campers choice for tires but on this post it appears Goodyear has won out! What's a tire shopper to do??!! I would like to replace the OEM Mission tires on my Sundance with EITHER Goodyear or Michelin but now I'm not sure which brand to purchase. To make matter more difficult, I want to replace the tires on the TV at the same time. So what is it, Goodyear or Michelins and how did you decide?
Thanks for your valuable input, be safe!!

Dave and Dorene
The Traveling Two

The biggest thing to consider is the tire clearance in the wheelwell. The Goodyears are substantially larger than the Michellins.

Withe the close clearance pictures that some owners have posted here...I'd be looking more at the Michellin simply to insure adequate clearance all the way around.

kakampers
03-28-2009, 12:56 PM
I think the confusion is in the tire rating. Michelin does not make a G rated tire and Goodyear does. So if you get a G rated tire the consensus is the Goodyear 614 (made in America). If you have an E rated rim go with the Michelin XPS RIB. I have Michelins on my TV and Goodyear on the rig.

I second this...having used both tires, the load range required should be the deciding factor.

We also have Michelin on the truck, however they are 19.5" tires, and Goodyear on the trailer, as it requires G load range. As I stated earlier, if we could use E load on the trailer we would use the Michelin XPS Rib...Michelin has been our tire of choice for many years...never have had a tire failure on them.

ct0218
03-28-2009, 08:16 PM
Actually, in 235-85R16, the Michelin E rated has a diameter of 32 inches, and the Goodyear G rated is 30.7 inches--so the Michelin is larger by a total of 1.3 inches, or .65 inches from the axle. If you can't use the Michelin because of the closeness of the tires, then your axles are very close (too close) together. Realistically, they are the same size, and the only difference is the load rating. Michelin makes a very good tire, and if you could get by with an E rated tire, that would be the one. If you're heavy, then it is the Goodyear. The answer is simple, and based entirely on your weight.

Larryheadhunter
03-28-2009, 10:56 PM
OK the Heartland RV experts have chosen the tire leaders as the E rated Michelin XPS Rib, and the G rated Goodyear GSR614's. Then JimBo mentions that the wheels must be stamped LR G or Load Range G or a weight that matches LR G rims in order for one to use G rated tires.
My rig also said 3750 lbs. right accross from the G which was stamped on, which I would like to really know what that weight measure means, although I know it's about the axles? Now I have 6,000 lb. axles, and empty my rig is 11,800 lbs. and the CGWR is 14,800 lbs. So I have the option of either a G rated or E rated tire. I have 16" aluminum rims. It's really wierd and hard to decide which way to go. Every post I have read so far tells me to go with either one, depending on preference which I have none as RVing and using a heavy duty truck are new to me with only 1 year of experience. I have the dreaded E rated Mission Tires bombs from China now that were on the rig when purchased, and they have been fine for 10,000 miles, knock on wood. But my intuition tells me not to test my luck on the long road trip this summer.
Every single tire dealer tells me I should not go with the G rated for my 2009 BH 3400RE even though it is equipped to handle it because of the rough ride really shakes up the insides and is super expensive. Others savvy RVers tell me its overkill and to go with the Michelin XPS ribs, even though they are E rated. But certain RVers I know and respect, mostly Heartland owners swear that the G rated Goodyears are the answer without hesitation, that the bottom line is if your rig can fit the specs for a G rated tire, then thats the way to go.
Knowing my specs, before I buy, I would appreciate some specific answers, because all the above posts seem confusing to me considering I could go either way. If you were in my shoes, which tire which you ultimately install? I don't have a generator and have only been staying in campgrounds with hookups, but the DW and I go out for long periods of time, so this is a huge purchase for us. Thanks in advance. You can PM me or answer in this forum, but I am listening closely to you folks, who have helped me out several times already. I am now ready to tally up the votes.

jmgratz
03-28-2009, 11:11 PM
Larry,
Here is my specific answer. You have a G rated rim, you need a G rated tire. I know what everyone says but have you weighed your rig and do you know how much weight is on each tire? I have and I have 3650 on each tire. I know my rig is heavier but the 3750 on the rim is the maximum weight the wheel is designed to handle. If you have a G rated tire the maximum inflation is 110 pounds. An E rated is 80 pounds. There is a chart on the Goodyear website or you can get the RV booklet from a Goodyear dealer which lists the tire inflation according to your weight on the tire. So if you are using a G rated tire at (as in my case) max or close to max weight you need 110 psi. If you have less weight you can decrease your inflation which will give a softer ride. The key to this whole picture is knowing what your weight is on each wheel. Again a company like Weight It does that type of weight and they usually charge $45.00 for that. If you go to a Rally (I think they will be at Goshen) where they are I would strongly recommend you get weighed. I hope this clears it up some. Also if you can go to a reputable tire dealer, preferably some independent dealer who really knows tires, they can explain the weight and inflation ratio and may (should) even have a chart. Check it out.

Larryheadhunter
03-30-2009, 07:03 PM
Jimbo asked me to add this to my above post that gives my truck and Bighorn weights. I did this at the last Las Vegas Rally and is as follows:
Without rig:
steer axle: 4840 lb
drive axle: 3700 lb
trailer axle: 0
gross weight: 8540 lb

With rig hitched up:
steer axle: 4760 lbs
drive axle: 6440 lbs
trailer axle: 10,680 lbs
gross weight: 21,880 lbs.

My rigs empty weight is 11,800 lbs
CGWR is 14,800 lbs.

So if this helps the experts assist me in deciding whether to go with the Michelin XPS E rated tires, or the G rated Goodyear GSR 614's, thanks in advance. This now gives the weight distribution as requested.

As you can see, the front axle of the truck appears to weigh 80 lbs less when I am hooked up. Anyone who has any ideas on the subject let me know as well if that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance for any and all advice.

jnbhobe
03-30-2009, 07:32 PM
Looks like with the XPS you'll have about 1500lbs to play with. JON

fpratt
04-04-2009, 09:45 AM
I just ordered a 2010 3600 RL and asked for a tire upgrade within the deal. I asked for Goodyear or Mitch tire. That was not a problem to do and it did not cost me any more; perhaps it did the dealership. I made this part of my deal following reading of these forums. floyd;)

Larryheadhunter
04-04-2009, 01:10 PM
I guess its a tough call between the 2 different sets of tires to decide once you have all the info. Based on the weights I posted, does anyone know what my hitch pin weight is? So Jon, if I have 1500lbs. to play with the XPS tires, should that be the deciding factor whether to get the Mitchelin XPS E rated, or for safety go for the Goodyear G rated 614's. Still having a difficult time deciding. Our summer trip planned is up to 50 days. Wow! I hope we don't get lost in the wilderness.

jnbhobe
04-04-2009, 03:16 PM
Ok Larry, Are you ready for me to confuse you some more?? First off your pin weight is 2660 lbs. If you have 17" wheels on your truck your rear tire capacity is over weight by 50 lbs. and your truck is over the 10,000 lb GVW by 1200 lbs. Since you don't have individual wheel weights for the trailer that 1500 lbs could be close. Each XP Rib tire has a capacity of 3042 lbs @80 lbs. Thats 12,168 lbs total trailer axel capacity. The G-614 s have a capacity of 3750 lbs @ 110lbs thats 15000 lbs total axel capacity and leaves you 4320lbs to play with. If it was mine and $$$ wasn't a factor I'd have the Goodyears ( which I Do have) :confused: CONFUSED NOW !! :confused: Me too almost :D:D JON;);)

Larryheadhunter
04-04-2009, 04:34 PM
Thank you John,
We have 18" wheels on our truck tires and 16" aluminum wheels on our BH. Talking about confusing? LOL Does that change anything? Now you have mentioned to buy both. What am I to do?

Forrest Fetherolf
04-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Larry H,

After reviewing your axle weight when we weighed your rig at the Vegas Rally, I recommend you go with the 614 because they have a higher weight rating than the XPS and are 14 ply rated. I could not find the ply rating for the XPS but suspect they are not more than 10 ply rated. The 614 will not stiffen the ride enough to effect the truck ride and your back issues.

C-U in Vegas next week for that dinner you owe me........:)

Forrest

jnbhobe
04-04-2009, 08:09 PM
Larry, Its me again with more confusing facts. 18" wheels 275-70-R 18 LR-E TIRES are 3640 lbs @80 lbs Thats 7280 lbs rear axel tire capacity so your rear axel wouldn't be overloaded. Michelin XPS RIB 235-85-R16 -LR-E are 3042lbs @80lbs.Forrest is exactly right about the ride you'll never know the difference in the ride. You'll also have a lot of extra capacity. Spring for the good ones you won't be sorry. JON ;) :D ;) :D

Forrest Fetherolf
04-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Larry,

As I think back when we weighed your rig, Deb was in the passenger seat when weighed hooked up, when weighing truck alone Deb was not in the truck and I stood on the scales in front of the truck. This is why the truck front axle lightened up when weighed hooked up.........my 190 lbs was only on the front axle scales and when Deb was in the truck her 1?? lbs was split between the front axle scales and rear axle scales.
Simple huh.........:confused::confused::confused:

Forrest

Larryheadhunter
04-05-2009, 01:48 AM
yes forrest u r correct, but outa your mind if i need to tell u how much DW weighs. Take a guess. But it happened as u said.
So now that we have that info confirmed, what does that tell us? Do I still get the G rated Goodyear 614's , or the XPS Michelin E rated? Did anything change in your mind with that revelation? LOL And are you trying to get me beaten by the wife? If u call me I will give approximates and deny I said anything to u if it helps at all. LOL And why do all the tire places tell me the G rated will rattle everything in the rig much more than the E rated. Is it overkill? 14 ply vs. 10 ply, but the CGWR is 14,800 lbs. And now what is our hitch pin weight and is it OK?

Forrest Fetherolf
04-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Larry,
Ok..........now for more tech stuff.........because Deb was in the truck when weighed hitched up about 1/2 of her unknown body weight would be added to the rear axle weight. All my 190 lbs was only on the front axle scales when weighed unhitched, you need to subtract Deb's weight from my weight and add 1/2 that amount to the rear axle weight in order to determine the new and accurate hitch-pin weight. My best guess, the proper weight should increase about 30 lbs +/- or a total hitch-pin weight of about 2770 lbs.
My calculations are based on a commonly used theory called the S.W.A.G method,:confused: I cannot disclose what that stands for because I was once censored for using a bad work on the forum........if you must know....PM me.
Quit fretting and buy the 614s or I might not allow you to ever-ever buy dinner u-o-me.:):):):)
Forrest

twowheelers
04-11-2009, 09:33 AM
we have a cedar creek silverback which we are going to trade for a 3055 big horn. we have about 40000 (yes, that's right 40 thousand) miles on our silverback with 16" E rated original tires. no problems - not even a flat! tom

Larryheadhunter
04-11-2009, 01:29 PM
So twowheeler, were those tires made in China? Regardless congrats, I am moving up to the G rated Goodyear 614's just to be safe.

Jimmyt5
04-11-2009, 01:47 PM
Just put XPS on my 3055,just in time a blowout and an other tire with a baseball bubble on side. These tires look like tanks compared to the Missions I took off....None

jolar3329
04-12-2009, 08:04 AM
That's a good price. They will cost you over $1000 if you get them latter.

pmpcrowley
04-14-2009, 08:40 PM
If those tires are goodyear g614 that's good price I paid $ 1,000 for four tires and thought I got a good deal.

Larryheadhunter
04-15-2009, 02:49 AM
So far the best price I can get here in socal for the goodyear 614's is $300 per tire, incl steel stems, balancing, and disposing of the despised Mission Tires. If anyone in socal has a better price please let me know.

Jay Pearsall
05-03-2009, 10:38 AM
Glad I found this thread! Our 07 BH 3400 came with Karrier Loadstars and we'll have about 6,200 miles on them now. What's the word on the street on the Karrier's? How risky are they? We're currently on a trip and am wondering if I can wait until we get home to change them - about 1,500 miles to go. Tks, Jay

jmgratz
05-03-2009, 10:58 AM
Glad I found this thread! Our 07 BH 3400 came with Karrier Loadstars and we'll have about 6,200 miles on them now. What's the word on the street on the Karrier's? How risky are they? We're currently on a trip and am wondering if I can wait until we get home to change them - about 1,500 miles to go. Tks, Jay

All I can say is it is at your own risk. If you have the money (or insurance) to pay for the body damage from a blowout and the time to wait to get it fixed then risk it. But on the other hand, any tire can blow out at any time.

Jay Pearsall
05-05-2009, 08:04 AM
I have money and time for neither option, but one outcome (better tires now) is much better.

I'm trying to decipher the relative risk of Karrier brand to comments on the thread. I see notation of mission and china bomb - are these code words for Karrier or some other brand?

I wonder what folks are experiencing with Karrier brand?

SmokeyBare
05-05-2009, 08:24 AM
I gambled on Karrier LoadStar tires and lost that bet...

I was lucky with only minor damage to the RV.

I now have a new set of G614 GoodYear tires on our BigHorn.

caokgafamily
05-05-2009, 08:26 AM
Jay,
I have the Karrier Loadstars also on our 07 3400. I don't know how many miles are on them, but we do get out alot. I'm starting to see some cracks on them. I was thinking about buying the Goodyear Marathon 235/80/16 $129 per tire.

caokgafamily
05-05-2009, 08:29 AM
Marv,
My cracks are the same area were your tread seperated from the above pic.

TXBobcat
05-05-2009, 10:25 AM
This is an on going subject. You might search to find a lot of threads about tires.

As some of us have indicated you can purchase cheap tires, china or not. Are you sure your saving money.

We fulltime and so we have to watch how much we spend, where we use our money on the TV and 5er. So here is my thinking.

We are on the road for a 2/3 week vacation. As it always happens, we are in the middle of no where and a tire blows. The tread tears up the side of the trailer, bends/cracks the rim. We change the tire out and are on our way. At the next campground we pull in and set up. I go to a tire dealer in this little town (think Thermopolis Wy) and I want to get a new tire. They don't have one and never carry that brand or size. Have to call my dealer in Dallas TX. They have the tires we want. I have them ship 2 tires and a new rim. We wait two days for delivery. The tire shop mounts the tire and we are on our way. We go about 500 miles and loose another tire. We get to another town and they mount the other tire I bought. We are on our way. This actually happened to us on a vacation to Yellowstone in 1983 when we had a Starcraft popup camper.

How much would you apply to the RV repair, the new tires, the new rim, the overnight shipping, installation and mounting, loss of time and maybe reservations.
On my new Bighorn I changed to Michelin XP Ribs. 5 tires at about $250 each is about $1250. Just repair of the trailer would be over $1000.

If you want to spend $100 -150 or what ever for tires based on money, I thing you should setup a repair fund of about $3000 or 4000 when the tires go bad on you.

Now.. I am not beating anyone up, picking on anyone or putting anyone's ideas down. This is my personal way to save money. Being proactive to me is the cheaper way to go even if I spend more up front and I do understand some do not have the income to do this. I save for the unforeseen circumstances.
BC

Cyncwby
05-05-2009, 11:58 AM
Even though we don't have our Bighorn yet I have been towing boats and BIG horse trailers for many years. I couldn't agree more with "TxBobcat". The Marathons USED to be good tires, now they are made in China and tires are just not something you want to skimp on. Get the Goodyear G614's or the Michelin XPS ribbed tires, whichever suits your wheel and rig load rating.

Ray LeTourneau
05-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Like others, we had the Karriers. I was very diligent with checking tire pressures, temperatures while traveling and any other preventative measure I could think of. After 10 or 12,000 miles we were prepping for another leg on our trip North last Spring when I found the dreaded sidewall bubble. I put the spare on, finished the trip and had Goodyear G614's installed when we arrived in WI. My spare is still a Karrier. I think if every road in the country were perfect or we did'nt find any pot holes or concrete separations etc. The Karriers/China Bombs may last a while. The G614's weigh about 20# more than the Karriers so you can imagine the construction quality and amount of material used. I think the fact that they are regroovable make them heavier also. Like Bobcat mentioned there are many threads in this forum regarding tires. I think you could spend many hours reading and come to the same conclusion. Another topic often discussed is weather to use LT or ST tires, It's a choice we must decide but I don't think tire manufacturers came up with two different designations just for the heck of it. Or did they?:rolleyes:

jmgratz
05-05-2009, 01:13 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again. We had 2 blowouts (Chinese made tires) within the first 2500 miles of owning our Landmark. Both times on the same (od) side. First the front axle tire and after getting the damage repaired the rear axle tire blew. Each time the same area of the 5er was damaged and each time my insurance paid a claim of $4800 and then $4500. My insurance rate then increased. Look at the construction of the wheel well. There is no inner fender to withstand the flying rubber from a blowout at 60 mph. The entire impact is felt by the exterior trim, fender skirt, trailer brake wiring etc. If you are lucky you can get the tire changed and go on down the road. If not then you and your rig will wait for a wrecker to tow you to the shop, and then wait on the shop for God knows how long on the repairs. Quit guessing and buy quality tires and quality rims. Your life and the lives of other motorists rides on the quality of your tires. Just because the tires are new (mine were) does not mean they will not blowout. I was not overloaded, was properly inflated and they still blew. Buy quality, don't skimp when it comes to your tires.

ct0218
05-05-2009, 09:42 PM
I have heard of no problems with the XPS Rib from Michelin, and that would be my choice in an E rated tire. In G, you have just one logical choice.

Jay Pearsall
05-06-2009, 10:01 AM
Thank you to everyone for bearing with me. I'm convinced and ready to upgrade tires while on our trip in Williamsburg, VA. After I post, I'm crawling under the rig to check the rims to see if they're G rated and then call for an appt! Safe travels! Jay

caokgafamily
05-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Jay,
I have a 07 3400, I couldn't find a "g" stamp on the back side of the rims. But I did find a 110 psi marking max pressure. I had 4 new G614 installed yesterday.

Jay Pearsall
05-06-2009, 10:36 AM
Yep, mine too. I wonder... how many of you that upgraded to the 614s, bought new rims also? Mine are the aluminum Series06 and say Made in China...

Finally, how can you tell what the spare tire rim is rated to? Mine is a white steel rim. The only markings are stamped 1 12 6 (date made?) and 7028 below it.
Thoughts???

Jay Pearsall
05-09-2009, 07:57 AM
Answering my own question, I called Tredit and they said all spare rims they provided for the Bighorns are G rated.

talley
05-09-2009, 10:22 AM
I would be interested in knowing what the tire dealers who caution about a "rough ride" with the "G" rated tire are basing that assessment on. I have recently placed the G614 on my BH 3655 ("G" rated required). Have experienced two blowouts on TrailAmerica (Chinese) while on two long trips (less that 6K on both tires at the time). I have only pulled on short trips since placing the Goodyears on the BH, but have not noticed any difference. Will be going to Goshen in a few weeks for first long trip and may have a better assessment at that time. Now for my vote... having experienced the two blowouts, I would go with the best tire I could reasonable afford... and then not look back. In terms of load range the best tire would be the "G" rated tire. Overkill as it maybe, that is what I want if it would give me an edge to avoid being left along side the road with side damage for 3-4 hours. :) IMHO


Jerry