TimToolMan
Member
Hello Everyone,
Being a detailed person with lots of construction experience (rough and detailed) I've seen some issues with the brand new Cyclone 4000.
1. I've only seen two of this model and both have had a significant window leak. I haven't called customer support yet but I shouldn't have to. The previous model we saw had lots of water damage and mold from an undiscovered window leak. The unit we own had a the entire window well full of water after a hard storm. We didn't see the water come in so I need to run a host to track it down. Sadly, in west Texas we haven't had that much hard rains (or any rain) to see this again naturally. I was telling my factory rep that I've seen leaking windows a 100% of the time on this model.
2. The attachment of the Lippert 3-seasons room to the camper garage section was poorly done. In fact, the screws only penetrate the outer layer and do not actually attach into what is suppose to support it. They also allowed the metal frame to slip allowing the bottom (holding the screen door sliding mechanism) to run bottom and not align with the adjoining door. I'm actually afraid to bring this to a warranty place since they will probably muddle through it and not really fix it. In many ways, its better to make my own repairs but its disappointing to have to.
3. The clothes closet is about 1-1/2" shy of holding hangers that are perpendicular to the hanging rod. The closet doors hits the hangers causing each hanger to be diverted at about 8 degrees. From studying the construction then could have come 1 or 2" further out and still be on the step-up area allowing for walking between the mattress and the closets.
3. The forward sewage and grey water compartment has two labels on the door but none inside the compartment. Which valve release is not detailed by any labels nor the manual. The label on the door had "Sewage" above another label with "Gray #1". I thought that would mean left to right would be "Sewage" (left valve) and "Grey" (right valve). Here where we are parked, we were told to use a grey water hose and the adapter. I chose wrong! I pulled the right valve only yo have toilet paper barely poke 50 feet away out of the hose. Where would the difficulty have been to label the valve handles or under them within the cabinet? How about on the door itself have a word to the left or right side of the door to represent the valve locations? Its fair to say this was a "crappy" design!
4. On the bed and the under-bed storage is a hinge attached to the bed plywood supporting the mattress. They used screws some 1 inch too long that are penetrating right on top of the support wood structure beneath the plywood. These screws have torn large dug out areas of that wood thus allowing the screws to travel up and down with the movement of the plywood to gain access to the storage area.
5. Switches behind doors! We discovered that all the switches as your enter the RV is hidden behind a cabinet door. Every time you want to turn on the living area lights you have to open this door and find the right switch (when its dark). I plan to put a small LED light powered from 12 volt but that's a later project. Once again, I shouldn't have to do this. Why not make it a switch outside the cabinet on the inside of the exterior wall?
6. 4 days and we have a flat bed with the middle section being much higher since we don't sleep in the middle. Talking about a bad mattress. This is an $80k RV and it makes me want to sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag.
7. The icing on the cake. We received one set of keys. Yes, one set - one of each door key ONLY. After purchasing a $80k RV, we get one stinking set of keys! Are keys something so costly that they would need to raise the price of the RV?
8. Centralized wall switches. On this unit the bedroom lights are not on a single wall switch as you enter the bedroom. Instead, you have to reach up and flick individual lights on. Not so bad until its dark. Why not spend the little extra time to place a wall switch?
9. The loft bed ladder. Talk about an accident waiting to happen. The ladder leading to the loft is narrow and not very strong. Just think, a little wider with substantial ladder rungs would make all the safety difference in the world.
Like I said, there are good things. I like the deck as a balcony. Yes, I can bring to warranty but I shouldn't have to! This should have been built correctly. This means I have to take time out of my day. Disappointing indeed!
My recommendation is NOT to purchasea Cyclone 4000.
Thanks,
Tim Wells
Being a detailed person with lots of construction experience (rough and detailed) I've seen some issues with the brand new Cyclone 4000.
1. I've only seen two of this model and both have had a significant window leak. I haven't called customer support yet but I shouldn't have to. The previous model we saw had lots of water damage and mold from an undiscovered window leak. The unit we own had a the entire window well full of water after a hard storm. We didn't see the water come in so I need to run a host to track it down. Sadly, in west Texas we haven't had that much hard rains (or any rain) to see this again naturally. I was telling my factory rep that I've seen leaking windows a 100% of the time on this model.
2. The attachment of the Lippert 3-seasons room to the camper garage section was poorly done. In fact, the screws only penetrate the outer layer and do not actually attach into what is suppose to support it. They also allowed the metal frame to slip allowing the bottom (holding the screen door sliding mechanism) to run bottom and not align with the adjoining door. I'm actually afraid to bring this to a warranty place since they will probably muddle through it and not really fix it. In many ways, its better to make my own repairs but its disappointing to have to.
3. The clothes closet is about 1-1/2" shy of holding hangers that are perpendicular to the hanging rod. The closet doors hits the hangers causing each hanger to be diverted at about 8 degrees. From studying the construction then could have come 1 or 2" further out and still be on the step-up area allowing for walking between the mattress and the closets.
3. The forward sewage and grey water compartment has two labels on the door but none inside the compartment. Which valve release is not detailed by any labels nor the manual. The label on the door had "Sewage" above another label with "Gray #1". I thought that would mean left to right would be "Sewage" (left valve) and "Grey" (right valve). Here where we are parked, we were told to use a grey water hose and the adapter. I chose wrong! I pulled the right valve only yo have toilet paper barely poke 50 feet away out of the hose. Where would the difficulty have been to label the valve handles or under them within the cabinet? How about on the door itself have a word to the left or right side of the door to represent the valve locations? Its fair to say this was a "crappy" design!
4. On the bed and the under-bed storage is a hinge attached to the bed plywood supporting the mattress. They used screws some 1 inch too long that are penetrating right on top of the support wood structure beneath the plywood. These screws have torn large dug out areas of that wood thus allowing the screws to travel up and down with the movement of the plywood to gain access to the storage area.
5. Switches behind doors! We discovered that all the switches as your enter the RV is hidden behind a cabinet door. Every time you want to turn on the living area lights you have to open this door and find the right switch (when its dark). I plan to put a small LED light powered from 12 volt but that's a later project. Once again, I shouldn't have to do this. Why not make it a switch outside the cabinet on the inside of the exterior wall?
6. 4 days and we have a flat bed with the middle section being much higher since we don't sleep in the middle. Talking about a bad mattress. This is an $80k RV and it makes me want to sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag.
7. The icing on the cake. We received one set of keys. Yes, one set - one of each door key ONLY. After purchasing a $80k RV, we get one stinking set of keys! Are keys something so costly that they would need to raise the price of the RV?
8. Centralized wall switches. On this unit the bedroom lights are not on a single wall switch as you enter the bedroom. Instead, you have to reach up and flick individual lights on. Not so bad until its dark. Why not spend the little extra time to place a wall switch?
9. The loft bed ladder. Talk about an accident waiting to happen. The ladder leading to the loft is narrow and not very strong. Just think, a little wider with substantial ladder rungs would make all the safety difference in the world.
Like I said, there are good things. I like the deck as a balcony. Yes, I can bring to warranty but I shouldn't have to! This should have been built correctly. This means I have to take time out of my day. Disappointing indeed!
My recommendation is NOT to purchasea Cyclone 4000.
Thanks,
Tim Wells
