Good catch on that zert. Beign a newbie, it is another thing I hadn't noticed. Sunriverman, DW and I just got back from the rally in Oroville. Had a blast. Great people. The Oregon rally is coming up in June, If we don't see you there maybe we will cross paths in your area. We are looking to move to the Bend area as soon as I retire. We are over there often house hunting. There are some great buys in the 3 rivers area. But was thinking south of Bend is a little too much snow on the ground all winter compared to Bend where it is usuall gone in a day or two except in the pines. Would I need a snow blower or plow to get through the winter?