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Sandpirate69
10-01-2011, 10:24 AM
The caulking on the right hand side on the leading edge just before the bend for the propane storage is separating. What's the best method to reseal it? Should I clean the old one out with a razor blade & then re-caulk it? It's about 2" in length & a hair in width. Just noticed it after my return from my hunt trip.

Thanks,
Ivan :confused:

Bob&Patty
10-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Ivan, yes, but I would remove it all around the door frame. I guess Dicor is recommended as the sealer. I have used different stuff and it seems to work well.

cookie
10-01-2011, 01:06 PM
I would not use a razor blade for removal of the old caulk. A big box home improvement center will have a plastic, caulk removing tool.
I would also do the entire seam not just the 2" length in question.
After the caulk is removed clean the surface with mineral spirits. Be careful around the vinyl graphics.
Just my three cents.

Peace
Dave

Sandpirate69
10-01-2011, 01:37 PM
I would not use a razor blade for removal of the old caulk. A big box home improvement center will have a plastic, caulk removing tool.
I would also do the entire seam not just the 2" length in question.
After the caulk is removed clean the surface with mineral spirits. Be careful around the vinyl graphics.
Just my three cents.

Peace
Dave

Ok, i'm on my way to Home Depot to get what I need for this job. It's never ending. But, it's not as bad as having a 31' boat.

Vtxkid
10-01-2011, 04:02 PM
I know the area that your talking about because mine has done it also.... Its apparently is a problem for a lot of us Cyclone and Road Warrior owners. Before you apply the fix to the area in question, try hooking up to the TV and release the weight of the front hydraulics and see if that same area separates even more (which is why the problem exist in the first place). I have been wondering how to fix it also but if its going to separate every time you tow the rig down the road, its a waste of time... Heartland needs to know about this as I have seen this same problem at the same area on other toy haulers also...

Sandpirate69
10-01-2011, 07:55 PM
I know the area that your talking about because mine has done it also.... Its apparently is a problem for a lot of us Cyclone and Road Warrior owners. Before you apply the fix to the area in question, try hooking up to the TV and release the weight of the front hydraulics and see if that same area separates even more (which is why the problem exist in the first place). I have been wondering how to fix it also but if its going to separate every time you tow the rig down the road, its a waste of time... Heartland needs to know about this as I have seen this same problem at the same area on other toy haulers also...

What's very interesting is that its only on the right side. I looked on the left side & it's sealed perfect. Also I checked the underside where the front cap meets the underside (rear of pinbox) , ther's a long strip of plastic, that assume covers screws, on each side of pin box. The front of that plastic is sealed nicely, the backside moves so much that it's brocken the seal. Now dumb question, there are screws that hold that large plastic laminate that goes all the way down to the where the Genset is at. I was thinking of getting some of those screws to secure that upper section to prevent that extra flex. Just trying to keep any water from entering the rig. But I will check what you said in a few weeks, as I will be headed up north for another hunt.

Thx
Ivan

TXBobcat
10-01-2011, 09:52 PM
I had a problem with the calk seperating on the Off Door Side. I don't know which side your referring to when you say right side. It would help if you would use Off Door side or drivers side & Door side or Passenger side. My propane is on the ODS. I had a problem with the frame needing additional support on the ODS, and I had it reinforced.

Something to help if you are like me and not very good at caulking. Put some blue painters tape above and below the caulking area. Spread the caulk between the tape and when it is about dry you take a cup of water, dip your finger into it and wipe off the excess. Let it dry then remove the tape. Does pretty good for me.

Here is the type of caulk that was used on my trailer at Heartland when they did my repairs, Sikaflex 521UV White 300 ML CRT (http://tweetys.com/sikaflex-521uv-sealant.aspx).

BC

rick_debbie_gallant
10-01-2011, 10:05 PM
I had a problem with the calk seperating on the Off Door Side. I don't know which side your referring to when you say right side. It would help if you would use Off Door side or drivers side & Door side or Passenger side.]

BC


I still use "port" and "steerboard". Works for us.

TXBobcat
10-01-2011, 11:42 PM
Boy are you in trouble.. That is the same side... Port or Left and Steerboard (side which you steer your TV) is also on the left unless you are driving one of those English vehicles. :D

You could paint your 5er red on the ODS and Green on the DS or change the clearance lights and then learn the rules of the sea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_and_starboard . That still goes with the old yield right of way. I'm an ole Navy Navigator when going to sea...

BC

rick_debbie_gallant
10-02-2011, 12:03 AM
Boy are you in trouble.. That is the same side... Port or Left and Steerboard (side which you steer your TV) is also on the left unless you are driving one of those English vehicles. :D

You could paint your 5er red on the ODS and Green on the DS or change the clearance lights and then learn the rules of the sea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_and_starboard . That still goes with the old yield right of way. I'm an ole Navy Navigator when going to sea...

BC

Ya see what happens when things get their meaning on "that side" of the pond. Would "starboard" be better for ye? Ummm, I know the words of the c. "Shiver me timbers mate, it is getting cold enough up here to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. Cant wait to get down to the gulf and get a whiff of those warm sea breezes. Sure wish my rig wernt so tall, I would put up a steadying sail of sorts or perhaps a square rig and take advantage of those cold north winds that are starting to blow south. Oh well soon enough.

jmgratz
10-02-2011, 08:01 AM
I confused...us old Army dudes don't understand those nautical terms but do door side and off door side.

JohnDar
10-02-2011, 08:58 AM
Ya see what happens when things get their meaning on "that side" of the pond. Would "starboard" be better for ye? Ummm, I know the words of the c. "Shiver me timbers mate, it is getting cold enough up here to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. Cant wait to get down to the gulf and get a whiff of those warm sea breezes. Sure wish my rig wernt so tall, I would put up a steadying sail of sorts or perhaps a square rig and take advantage of those cold north winds that are starting to blow south. Oh well soon enough.

Or was it, "Arrgh! Sixteen days on a stormy sea...bring me the cabin boy." "We're a ship of men and none of us are sissies. At night we sleep in separate bunks and blow each other kissies." Martin Mull

rick_debbie_gallant
10-02-2011, 11:36 AM
I confused...us old Army dudes don't understand those nautical terms but do door side and off door side.

I am also an old Army dude. But was able to learn port and starboard or "steerboard" which is the original word (I think any way.)

Sandpirate69
10-02-2011, 12:30 PM
Ok boys, it's the steerboard side. I have a propane tank on both sides (Port & Steerboard Side). Didn't try to get you confused, just writing how I was thinking. You think being in the Navy active duty for 8 years & now a complete 15 with reserves, I would know better. Well, I cleaned that area out and re-caulked the area using DAP caulk. I will hook it up next week to see if the weight pushes that seam back out breaking the caulked seem. BTW those winds from the gulf and those warm sea breezes are starting to shift. Much cooler now than the previous months.

Ivan

jnbhobe
10-02-2011, 01:14 PM
I have no problem with the plain old right and left sides. I guess it comes from too many years messing with cars and trucks

mikeandconnie
10-02-2011, 01:54 PM
Left Hand is looking forward on the left side, this goes for RV's Aircraft, Trains, and every thing I been around. Port is for boats or left hand.

Sandpirate69
10-02-2011, 04:27 PM
Well it seems my post on trim caulking became an instructional on Left or Right, Port or Steerboard. This is great :o. I loaded the fiver on my TV to see if the weight on the hitch would push the seam. Well for right now it held. I will check it again in a few days & then in a couple weeks at my property. Hope it works. BTW thanks for the free directional lessons. LOL :D

Ivan

robnmo
10-02-2011, 05:53 PM
Well it seems my post on trim caulking became an instructional on Left or Right, Port or Steerboard. This is great :o. I loaded the fiver on my TV to see if the weight on the hitch would push the seam. Well for right now it held. I will check it again in a few days & then in a couple weeks at my property. Hope it works. BTW thanks for the free directional lessons. LOL :D

Ivan

Caulking seems to be an issue at several places. I replaced alot of caulking the 1st season on our Cylcone, now it's a year later and some of it has started to seperate as well as others places of the original caulking, I replaced it with what the factory uses, I also (as a test only) replaced some other places that were letting loose with a white silicone we use for restaurant equipment installation. Silicone is going to be much harder to replace than what they use at Heartland, but so far ALL the silicone joints I repaired look same as they did a year ago when applied, the others where I used factory type caulking are coming loose. I'm going silicone everywhere as it needs it. Just my .02 cents worth..........besides the Cyclone will now be USDA approved for food product/preparation. :D

JohnDar
10-02-2011, 06:29 PM
I used this for fixing some of the (non-roof) trim areas on my rig. Much cleaner than Dicor's non-leveling gunk.

TXBobcat
10-02-2011, 06:58 PM
I am also an old Army dude. But was able to learn port and starboard or "steerboard" which is the original word (I think any way.)

My information quotes this about Starboard...


The word starboard comes from Old English steorbord, literally meaning the side on which the ship is steered, descendant from the Old Norse words stýri meaning "rudder" (from the verb stýra, literally "being at the helm", "having a hand in") and borđ meaning etymologically "board", then the "side of a ship
As stated in the above link..

Fortunately I was not around back then so I'm not sure how the word Starboard came about... Maybe it just floated in from the right side... Funny how much you can learn on this forum... Love it .. Love it...

BC

rick_debbie_gallant
10-02-2011, 11:25 PM
And who says rv'ing cant be educational? I was wondering, do the balls freeze off a brass monkey in warmer climates or is that something that happens up here in the cold country.

cookie
10-03-2011, 08:27 AM
Rick, how many people know what a brass monkey is??? Much less the balls.
Or so the rumor goes.

Peace
Dave

Bob&Patty
10-03-2011, 10:29 AM
How did we get from caulking to brass monkeys and balls?? As far as I know (except across the pond) the right side (starboard) is the passenger side no matter where you are standing. The left (port) side is the drivers side no matter where you are standing. At least it is in cars and trucks.

Sandpirate69
10-03-2011, 12:36 PM
Brass Monkey: 40-ounce bottle of malt liquor that has been consumed to the top of the label and then filled with orange juice (Alternate) to the one made with the different liquors. Thought I throw that in there in the event someone forgot. Just like left side or right side. John thanks for the attachment. I used DAP, because I saw that my dealer also sells it. I don't have any RV shops close to me to get Dicor, eventhough I have the Dicor roof wash & roof protection. This is the best forum i've ever been on. Great sense of humor. It takes more muscles to make a frown than it does to smile ! :p:p

traveler44
10-04-2011, 01:13 PM
I still don't see why you guys want to use the same caulk that the manufacturer used and keeps cracking. Just seems like a waste of time to me. I use the 3M 5200 marine caulk on the verticle seams and am very happy with the results from it. I know it costs more but I figure the time saved by not haveing to recaulk because the old caulk failed is worth something to me. I've heard that some people don't use it because it is considered a permanent caulk but that is why I use it. Tom M.

JohnDar
10-04-2011, 03:20 PM
I still don't see why you guys want to use the same caulk that the manufacturer used and keeps cracking. Just seems like a waste of time to me. I use the 3M 5200 marine caulk on the verticle seams and am very happy with the results from it. I know it costs more but I figure the time saved by not haveing to recaulk because the old caulk failed is worth something to me. I've heard that some people don't use it because it is considered a permanent caulk but that is why I use it. Tom M.

Heck, last summer when I reattached the trim along the bottom of the slides after capping them, I used some Window/Door Caulk I bought for the house. Still white and still there. Methinks I'll get some Eternabond tape for the roof seams and be done with it for as long as I'm going to have the rig.

SJH
10-04-2011, 03:21 PM
I still don't see why you guys want to use the same caulk that the manufacturer used and keeps cracking. Just seems like a waste of time to me. I use the 3M 5200 marine caulk on the verticle seams and am very happy with the results from it. I know it costs more but I figure the time saved by not haveing to recaulk because the old caulk failed is worth something to me. I've heard that some people don't use it because it is considered a permanent caulk but that is why I use it. Tom M.

This is a one-part polyurethane adhesive sealant and a very good option. Usually under $9.00 at most retailers. I don't use it because it doesn't come in gray. It does come in White, Black, Tan, and Mahogany