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Snow
04-20-2013, 09:04 PM
Need help deciding what to use to level my truck , the big country 3650 squats my truck a little ,not much but enough that I think I need a little something on my 2013 f 250 super duty 6.7 , Iam sure the answer is on this forum somewhere but iam still finding my way around so I thought this would be faster , any help would be appreciated ,thanks ⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

Milton_and_PeggySue
04-20-2013, 09:24 PM
We just got a 3251 TS Big country that weights 14000 Lbs loaded and it does squads my F-350 super duty, I did add air bags and keep them at 50 PSI, they are a great help.

Nabo
04-20-2013, 09:34 PM
We added the Firestone Airlift bags with the on-board compressor. With the on-board compressor, you can adjust the level of the truck from inside the cab which is great. When we are pulling the Grey Ghost, we level the truck, then let the air back out for a more normal ride after we get to our destination. We had a type of air shocks before that you had to fill the shock by a valve installed in the bumper but wont due that again.

jnbhobe
04-21-2013, 10:16 AM
Do the air bags, they work out a lot better than springs, and I'm a spring guy.

Snow
04-21-2013, 10:36 AM
Thanks everyone but keep them comeing do I need the onboad compressor ?? I said earlier that it didn't squat much but after loading everything in my RV it squats pretty bad , my next trip is in 3weeks so I would like to have something before then and ow Firestone VS Air Lift the air lift has a remote which was nice ! ⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

scottyb
04-21-2013, 11:18 AM
I have Firestones but the Airlift's get good reviews as well. The on-board compressor and guages would be a nice luxury, but not mandatory. If/when I add one, it will also have a frame mounted air tank so it can replace my other air compressor. I carry a pancake air compressor in my Cyclone for now, but these air bags use such a small volume that you can air them up with any 12v compressor.

brianharrison
04-21-2013, 11:24 AM
I use a Bicycle pump with gauge to inflate my Firestone Ride Rites air bags. I went cheapo. Ran the air fill valves to the license plate area. Brian

GOTTOYS
04-21-2013, 11:52 AM
I have air bags. About 18 psi levels it just just fine. I put my air fittings right next to the trailer plug I installed in the bed of my truck. A simple 12 volt compressor with an adapter to plug it into my trailer plug works for me. I air them up once when I hitch and deflate them when I get to where I'm going for a smoother ride when empty. Can't see a reason to buy an expensive on board air system for that..Don

Pizzaguy
04-21-2013, 12:34 PM
I installed the WirelessAir by Air Lift on board compressor system and love it. It is great to be able to change the feel of the air bags based on the roads. On smooth roads you can get a softer ride, but when the roads are rough you can increase the psi to help with the bounce or chucking. I figured we will have this truck a long time and went with a better system to begin with and not have to upgrade later. Do I need it--no, but it sure is nice!

piet10
04-21-2013, 02:22 PM
Last summer I installed Firestone airbags on my 2012 Ram 2500 CTD, with the two fill valves in the back. They worked great, but I got tired of letting air out and refilling when we hitched and unhitched. Plus, Firestone says to keep 5 pounds at all times. Mine would gradually lose pressure over several days, so out came the air compressor again. I just installed the wireless air compressor 2 weeks ago and am very happy with it. Like a previous poster said, it is handy to dial in a new setting to match the road conditions. Plus I can monitor the pressure when unhitched and maintain 5 pounds if needed right from the cab.

There is an optional frame mount kit available, which installed very easily just under the driver side rear door. I bought everything from http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/ and was very pleased with the service. Free shipping, and usually a promotional offer.

Al

lduguay
04-21-2013, 04:07 PM
I use a Bicycle pump with gauge to inflate my Firestone Ride Rites air bags. I went cheapo. Ran the air fill valves to the license plate area. Brian

X2......takes about a minute to check and fill before I pick up our 3650. I put 30lb psi (un-hitched) in valves I installed in license plate with bike pump. On board compressor would be nice, I just like my $$$$ in my pocket better:cool:

DuaneG
04-22-2013, 04:09 PM
I had the Timbrens and they worked great for keeping a level truck and we're cheaper. But for some reason when unloaded my truck would sometimes bounce and bottom out when the space between the Timbrens and the axle would connect. It was forceful and annoying, so I removed them and put on the Firestone ait bags. I no longer have the bottoming out when there is a dip in the road.

I put the air valve to inflate them under the wheel well, so I did not have to bend over as much and they are out of sight and work great.

Sent from my cell phone. Please forgive typos and spelling errors.

gebills
04-22-2013, 10:47 PM
We have the Firestone Ride Rites installed; run with about 15 lbs in them when towing. Mounted the two air valves beneath the bumper on an existing 3/16" plate; looks nice and clean. Always have the air compressor in the basement if needed. We never load to the hilt anyway, meaning not so much pressure is needed. I'm of the same philosophy as previously stated; I would rather have the money in my pocket.

ncrzrbk
04-23-2013, 06:16 AM
About what price do you guys pay for firestone air bags. I have seen them priced all over the spectrum.


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jnbhobe
04-23-2013, 06:33 AM
I paid about $275 out the door. That was dealer cost.

happykraut
04-23-2013, 07:39 AM
$287.10 delivered to my front door.

Snow
04-23-2013, 12:16 PM
375.00 is the best i could find and thats for a 2013 250 , happykraut do have a link or name that i can get ,and thats for firestone right??, the guy that installed my hitch said 450.00 plus install for 55 an hour and might take 3-4 hours 'ouch' .which i thought was high when he installed mt B&W for 130.00 but i did buy it from him. thanks iam getting closer. i think ill go with firestone now just gotta work on the price thanks everyone, have a great day

brianharrison
04-23-2013, 12:22 PM
375.00 is the best i could find and thats for a 2013 250 , happykraut do have a link or name that i can get ,and thats for firestone right??, the guy that installed my hitch said 450.00 plus install for 55 an hour and might take 3-4 hours 'ouch' .which i thought was high when he installed mt B&W for 130.00 but i did buy it from him. thanks iam getting closer. i think ill go with firestone now just gotta work on the price thanks everyone, have a great day

They may be priced different for different kits - yours may be a newer kit and the costs charged may be higher.

Brian

jnbhobe
04-23-2013, 12:22 PM
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags/air-lift-air-bags?gclid=COHb1tim4bYCFfNxMgodRgoAsw Try this place.

happykraut
04-23-2013, 02:38 PM
Snow, I purchased mine at http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags/firestone-air-bag-kits

Mgondeck
04-23-2013, 05:53 PM
Has anyone opted for Load Boosters instead of Air bags? What was your results?

jnbhobe
04-23-2013, 07:45 PM
I had them once, just gave a rough ride.

jmgratz
04-24-2013, 10:25 AM
I have the Firestone air bags with the Air Lift remote on-board compressor. It works great and love it.

Mrsfish
04-30-2013, 07:32 PM
For those of you with an on board compressor with your Firestone ride rites, which compressor did you use?

jmgratz
04-30-2013, 09:07 PM
I have the Air Lift compressor with the Firestone Air Bags. I have the remote wireless controller. Works great.

Snow
05-05-2013, 06:07 AM
Update ,thanks everyone for all your info ,I went with the air lift 5000 and an onboard compressor 569.00$with a 100.00$ mail in rebate purchesed at sd truck springs great place to deal with .⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

mattpopp
06-02-2013, 06:08 PM
I know you already bought bags. But helper springs keep the load spread out over the axle giving the truck more stability while towing heavy vs air bags.


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Snow
06-02-2013, 07:01 PM
Mattpopp can I still add the helper springs without taking off my air bags?? and will they affect the ride?? ⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

Theresau
06-02-2013, 07:14 PM
The most important thing is to get the truck's spring leaf pack up off the bottom support leaf. This way the spring will work the way it is supposed to. I run 30# in my air lift bags (weight taken when truck not attached to trailer). Truck and trailer set level when attached.

With this setup I fiind that when we go over bridges the leaf springs work as they are supposed to.

Joe

porthole
06-04-2013, 08:44 AM
giving the truck more stability while towing heavy vs air bags.




How?

mattpopp
06-07-2013, 10:55 AM
How?

Air bags solve one problem but create two more issues. Bags are mounted inside of the frame rail. Which is a much narrower foot print then the leaf springs mounting location. That narrow foot print will translate to body roll over the axle. The more load you put on the air bags the less load that is seen on the leaf's. reducing the load on your leaf springs will hurt your stability, there is no if, ands, buts about it. Using helper springs keeps 100% of the load at the widest foot print possible and on your leaf's.

I have only felt the difference towing a RV. I never felt the difference between bags or helper springs with a gooseneck flat bed. It's probably due to the height of a RV.




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porthole
06-07-2013, 12:41 PM
Abut create two more issues.




I only see one in your answer.

No doubt though that the roll is increased. With my hybrid suspension I notice the roll quite a bit. But only backing out of my driveway unloaded, on an angle.
I've had it long enough that I don't notice the roll anymore. Either way, the rear air suspension I have is nto something I would do again.

Snow
06-07-2013, 12:57 PM
Porthole so you wouldn't do the airbags again ???⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

porthole
06-07-2013, 01:20 PM
Porthole so you wouldn't do the airbags again ???⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄


Yes I would not hesitate to do straight airbags. Adding srpings is set to whatever load you make the spring pak. With the bags you can vary your load, more of an issue maybe with toy haulers.

I would not do the hydrid air ride that I currently have, especially in a DRW truck.

Two of us on the forum have this suspension in our trucks.
//heartlandowners.org/showthread.php/29116-R4Tech-suspension-system-ordered?highlight=firestone+tech

It is pretty well documented here and on the Ford truck forums.

Snow
06-07-2013, 01:44 PM
Good, you had me worried , I guess I didn't understand your last post , I did check out the R4Tech but didn't wasn't to sure about them so opted for the simple airlifts are the airlifts I have ok for what I'm pulling ??about 21000 lbs total the truck is leveled up nice now , I guess I should have done my homework before buying my 250 , I don't think my payload is to bad , but I guess I just worry about hurting my baby "truck" ford tough right ? ⛄⛄⛄⛄⛄

mattpopp
06-08-2013, 07:42 AM
I only see one in your answer.

No doubt though that the roll is increased. With my hybrid suspension I notice the roll quite a bit. But only backing out of my driveway unloaded, on an angle.
I've had it long enough that I don't notice the roll anymore. Either way, the rear air suspension I have is nto something I would do again.

Reducing carrying load on the factory leafs and body roll over the axle.

Sometimes you don't realize you have a issue until you remove it.

A rear sway bar is also a great add on. It made a huge improvement on my old Dodge.


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