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macjj
06-19-2014, 11:03 PM
I am considering the Idaho tote for my 2012 Big Horn. I'm curious whether anyone has thought of the idea and what issues they encounterd

klindgren
06-20-2014, 06:25 AM
Jay,

I gave it serious consideration and even got a quote from the manufacturer, but I just couldn't justify the $8,000+ price tag. That's cost before I would have to pay a local trailer company I deal with to weld the hitch to the frame and get it set up correctly. I'd really like one, but not at that price.

Sorry I can't help you any.

Keith

porthole
06-20-2014, 10:59 AM
Don't know if one is better then the other. But, The Swivelwheel from Cruiserlift is much less expensive.

http://www.cruiserlift.com/swivelwheel.html

klindgren
06-21-2014, 07:12 AM
thanks Duane. I've glanced through the material. Not sure I'm a big fan of those small wheels though. Price is about 1/3 of the Idaho Tote.

macjj
06-21-2014, 08:41 AM
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Agree the price is high but the technology is superb. The smaller wheels or the casters as alternatives is just a little scary to me. Besides most states including California don't allow tandems but this configuration passes the DMV taste test. Only issue is they require I have a class A license. Thanks for the response it is appreciated

porthole
06-21-2014, 08:57 AM
Thought the same thing Keith. But that 2/3's saving will allow 2 spare tires and two extra tire pressure sensors and even a camera to monitor what is going on. And still leave $$$ left over for a used golf cart.

porthole
06-21-2014, 09:02 AM
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Agree the price is high but the technology is superb. The smaller wheels or the casters as alternatives is just a little scary to me. Besides most states including California don't allow tandems but this configuration passes the DMV taste test. Only issue is they require I have a class A license. Thanks for the response it is appreciated

By tandems, do you mean the difference between a singe caster and dual casters?

I have yet to find any negatives on the net with either brand, other then the cost difference on the Tote.
I would not consider the single wheel versions for my motorcycle.

And, giving the dynamic of the difference in the way the single and dual wheel version operate, the single wheel is a "non-option" for me. Too large of a chance for damage for my toys and to large of a chance for damage to the 5th wheel do to the stresses imposed by the single wheel.

I have a lot of riding buddies that tow motorcycle trailers. Most are dual wheel trailers, but a few pull single "inline" trailers. The single may pull better, but when you want to stop and take it off your options are limited.

boatto5er
06-21-2014, 10:10 AM
I assume (that word) he meant two trailers hooked together, but like stated, by using two points of contact the Tote becomes an extension of the RV. DMV and State Police in Virginia both said the two point attachment made it legal, but neither could point to a specific law or code that said that in black and white. It's a grey area.


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dbarnard
06-21-2014, 10:10 AM
I have a Toy-Tote made in Lake Havasu, AZ. I have pulled two Quads all over California, Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. Never been stopped and never had any problems. It mounts solid to the back of the 5th wheel.

jimtoo
06-21-2014, 10:49 AM
A question I have now...not that I am going to install a hitch or Idaho tote or swivel wheel, but since it is being called an "extension of RV" do you need a license for the unit? :)

I mean do you need license plate on the unit?

macjj
06-21-2014, 11:08 AM
Have not checkout ToyTote but will have to do that. When I stated tandem it's two trailers behind a towing vehicle. California is not allow his configuration. The Idaho Tote and maybe ToyTote is a fixed configuration to the back of the first towed vehicle. According to the California DMV like Virginia this is allowed however there is no specific point in the vehicle code that addresses it. However the DMV has suggested because of the length and the gross vehicle weight ratios that I have class A license with a tandem endorsements noncommercial. I can't speak for other states other than California. I do agree a single wheel is a nonstarter dual casters just does not give me a comfortable feeling for the reasons stated.

boatto5er
06-21-2014, 01:42 PM
A question I have now...not that I am going to install a hitch or Idaho tote or swivel wheel, but since it is being called an "extension of RV" do you need a license for the unit? :)

I mean do you need license plate on the unit?

Same Virginia DMV folks said no license needed if it's attached by two or more points and turns as part of the RV.


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ziggy
06-21-2014, 06:09 PM
I have a Toy-Tote made in Lake Havasu, AZ. I have pulled two Quads all over California, Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona. Never been stopped and never had any problems. It mounts solid to the back of the 5th wheel.

Dale,
Its good to see you lurking around here on the forum. I've seen that Toy-Tote on your trailer and thought it looked pretty cool. I was surprised you could haul that much on it.

Kristy

dbarnard
06-21-2014, 08:48 PM
HI Kristy, looks like you have a good crowd for the rally.

chiefneon
06-22-2014, 11:32 AM
I am considering the Idaho tote for my 2012 Big Horn. I'm curious whether anyone has thought of the idea and what issues they encounterd

Howdy!

We fulltimed for seven years with a Idaho Tote attached to our Carri-Lite 5 slide until the recently purchase of our Cyclone 4000. We carried a Yamaha Rhino on it and the last two years we carried a Smart Car. They are well built and the best tote on the market. When asked about ours I always stated you get what you pay for. We never licensed ours we just moved the 5er plate to the rear of the tote as it is a extention of the 5er. The pulled it into most of the lower 48 and also Alaska including the west coast California, Oregon, and Washington. Last year we towed it to the Canadian maritimes even to Newfoundland. We done all of the right coast to from Flordia to Maine. Never been stopped or question by law enforcement but we did get quite alot of looks driving down the road. Wish I had a dollar for ever cel phone picture that was taken we would never have to pay for fuel again. Idaho Toe is a great way to go if you already own your RV. It also gives your the ability to disconnect it which you can not do with a toy hauler.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon

ziggy
06-22-2014, 11:37 AM
HI Kristy, looks like you have a good crowd for the rally.

Yep, only wish you could be in it. maybe next year.
Kristy

macjj
06-23-2014, 06:37 PM
Thanks Gary. I firmly agree, you get what you paid for. It is good to hear of someone that has used it successfully. However laws change from state to state, and California is not so lienent. And it have been informed that if the state of origin says OK, Other states honor their policy. And my tow vehicle doesn't match up to your rig

macjj
09-03-2015, 12:59 AM
Update. Just finished a 13000 mi trip with the Tote thru 13 states where nay a word was said from troopers except when I re-entered CA At Winterhaven. Although the CHP did not cite me for the length or configuration, he did alert me to new DMV requirements that I need a "5th wheel endorsement" because the dry weight is greater than 10K lbs. leave it to CA to change the rules midstream and it is your responsibility to figure it out


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danemayer
09-03-2015, 06:03 AM
Although the CHP did not cite me for the length or configuration, he did alert me to new DMV requirements that I need a "5th wheel endorsement" because the dry weight is greater than 10K lbs. leave it to CA to change the rules midstream and it is your responsibility to figure it out


Hi macjj,

Here's a link to the 2011 California Towing Guide (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC8QFjADahUKEwieq-Ty2trHAhWPCpIKHZDpCgI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dmv.ca.gov%2Fportal%2Fwcm%2F connect%2F28423ba0-bba6-4347-9e21-db274e970772%2Fdl648.pdf%3FMOD%3DAJPERES&usg=AFQjCNEps8hoX3EUi1ZHVeKybMPrFQGnag&sig2=JVMbWvMDGPbkruhymz-7Sw&cad=rja). Page 2 speaks to license requirements. Have to wonder if your stop means that CHP is going to start enforcing the requirements.

macjj
09-03-2015, 11:18 AM
2011 is now super ceded by 2015. Lots of changes, but also some clarity. That is where they mention "endorsement ". Threw out my old sources, and need to readdress the tote after I get the 5th wheel endorsement. Where the old regs. talked about a "hinged" double, the new regs. do not go into that definition. My approach is to get the endorsement, then take to CHP for clarification (putting the coach plate on the Tote). Will let you all know how it turns out


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macjj
10-29-2015, 09:21 PM
Follow up. Got the enforcement (I think). After going through 4 DMV sites, I was issued a "restriction - to operate a 5th wheel RV" on a Class C (2 for the old timers). The first DMV had no clue, so I went for a Class A (1) Non-Commercial. I made three appointment trying to get the right place. Decided to take a dry run yo be sure I was going to the right place. When I found the right one, they stated the could not test me because my rig did not have a GVWR of greater than 15,000 Lbs. they sent me to another place that dealt primarily with Class A licenses, and the issued me a "restriction". Just as a side note, went back to Winterhaven, and the CHP that cited me told the Judge that it is OK to tow doubles on a Class C. Shouldn't be surprised.


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don_reid
10-29-2015, 09:59 PM
I also have a toytote. My question to anyone is has anyone disconnected the tote from the 5er and attached it directly to the tow vehicle? I had a hitch built to connect it to the bumper receiver. My question, Is it still considered an extension or would it then need to be licensed?

JohnD
10-30-2015, 01:50 AM
I don't know . . . but really, I think that anyone who wants to put another trailer on the back of another trailer is nuts! :)

I really don't care what is legal and what is not legal . . .

Lou_and_Bette
10-30-2015, 09:34 AM
I also have a toytote. My question to anyone is has anyone disconnected the tote from the 5er and attached it directly to the tow vehicle? I had a hitch built to connect it to the bumper receiver. My question, Is it still considered an extension or would it then need to be licensed?

What a good question. I have a Swivelwheel trailer and have two extra receivers added to my truck in case I want to tow the trailer without the BH. I just moved the license plate when towing both the BH and the SW, but hadn't thought about the license when towing just the SW. Don't plan on doing that much but will have to give it some thought if I do it.

Aandaar
11-08-2015, 12:56 PM
Follow up. Got the enforcement (I think). After going through 4 DMV sites, I was issued a "restriction - to operate a 5th wheel RV" on a Class C (2 for the old timers). The first DMV had no clue, so I went for a Class A (1) Non-Commercial. I made three appointment trying to get the right place. Decided to take a dry run yo be sure I was going to the right place. When I found the right one, they stated the could not test me because my rig did not have a GVWR of greater than 15,000 Lbs. they sent me to another place that dealt primarily with Class A licenses, and the issued me a "restriction". Just as a side note, went back to Winterhaven, and the CHP that cited me told the Judge that it is OK to tow doubles on a Class C. Shouldn't be surprised.


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Jay

Based on what I have read it looks like I will need the Class A with the 2011 outline. I can't seam to find the 2015 Regs on the DMV site. Can you post a link to them.

Also I see in the 2011 regs that a driving test is needed. Anyone know what is involved with that? Years ago I had a Commercial Class A and drove cross country for CRST for a couple of years. Hopefully it is not as involved as what I did for that one. Any info is appreciated.

By the way we live in Oceanside.

macjj
11-10-2015, 09:58 PM
Here it is

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/web/eng_pdf/dl600.pdf

As stated before, your rig needs to have a stamped GVWR of greater than 15000 lbs or the will not test you

When you go to DMV, make sure you leave with a temporary permit (good for 1 year). You will need to take the Class C and Class A written test, and you will need to fill out the Medical certification (you do not need a doctors signature or visit), you will need your doctors contact information. The driving test is in Rancho San Diego (address El Cajon). Good luck


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macjj
11-19-2015, 09:07 PM
I don't know . . . but really, I think that anyone who wants to put another trailer on the back of another trailer is nuts! :)

I really don't care what is legal and what is not legal . . .

I also built an attachment in the event I wish to tow the tote separately. And yes I licensed it separately. When attached to the BH, I move the rear plate to the rear of the tote. I guess I am crazy, but my wife has two knees replaced, and I am tired of getting into the truck just to get something local. So I carry a small golf cart. Since the BH does not like a bike rack on the back, it makes it convent to talk them along.


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gibsonjd
10-29-2016, 06:44 AM
After researching all options, I bought a Tote this Spring. I had the receiver welded on by a custom welder. We took the rig on a 300 mile trip in June. The only problem I had was when I crossed a 4 way intersection at highway speeds and discovered the perpendicular highway was crowned. Because the motorcycle was strapped down well, everything stayed on the Tote, but it was an interesting ride.

Greg (at Idaho Tote) was very helpful, answered all my questions, and helped make this a painless process. Yes, it's a bit pricey, but I only want to do this once, and I want no problems after the fact. I believe I made a good choice.

Jim & Becky
2012 GMC Denali
2013 Heartland Elkridge
Idaho Tote
2008 HD Street Glide

chiefneon
10-30-2016, 06:00 PM
I don't know . . . but really, I think that anyone who wants to put another trailer on the back of another trailer is nuts! :)

I really don't care what is legal and what is not legal . . .


It's not a trailer. You need to look at it before you call it that.

macjj
01-18-2017, 08:23 PM
One special note for those that use the Idaho Tote. The compressor switch mounted on the rear of the air tank will fail. The compressor is a good unit, however the draw is over 25 amps. Most switches will ultimately fail, and you will be without air. Subsequently, at slow speeds, if you find a pothole or bump, the axel will swing to an extramarital, and you will end up dragging it. A simple fix is to incorporate a continuous duty relay in line. If you elected yo incorporate the locking option, it will not work without air. There is a fix for that as well.


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HAVASU4US
07-02-2017, 07:28 PM
We do not have a 5th Wheel but do have an Idaho Tote installed on our Motorhome. We purchased from Greg about 8 years ago and have hauled it all over the USA. We have traveled thru California with it.... been stopped, inspected and received a whole hearted "thumbs up". The CHP Officer and I exchanged business cards, I have since referred two CHP officers to Idaho Tote. Obviously they felt it was Legal.

We also had Toy-Tote in Havasu extend the tote so we can now load our 900s front to rear. But after 8 years and several thousand miles , we are deciding to leave our RZR in the Colorado Rockies where we summer. We are in our mid 70"s... have loved the tote.

If anyone is interested in a Idaho Tote in excellent condition, send me a message.

cashb
09-24-2017, 04:12 PM
We do not have a 5th Wheel but do have an Idaho Tote installed on our Motorhome. We purchased from Greg about 8 years ago and have hauled it all over the USA. We have traveled thru California with it.... been stopped, inspected and received a whole hearted "thumbs up". The CHP Officer and I exchanged business cards, I have since referred two CHP officers to Idaho Tote. Obviously they felt it was Legal.

We also had Toy-Tote in Havasu extend the tote so we can now load our 900s front to rear. But after 8 years and several thousand miles , we are deciding to leave our RZR in the Colorado Rockies where we summer. We are in our mid 70"s... have loved the tote.

If anyone is interested in a Idaho Tote in excellent condition, send me a message.

What length is the tote?