Cyclone 3513 vs Torque 345 new purchase
- Thread starter Megolfer
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Hello Megolfer and welcome to this great forum.
There is more to a rig than just the floor plan which can explain the cost difference.
For example the Cyclone has an 18 cu. ft. refrigerator compared to the 8 cu. ft. in the Torque.
The Cyclone has G rated tires vs the Torque with load range F.
Check out the standards and options for each at the HeartlandRVs web site. Torque. Cyclone.
Peace
Dave
There is more to a rig than just the floor plan which can explain the cost difference.
For example the Cyclone has an 18 cu. ft. refrigerator compared to the 8 cu. ft. in the Torque.
The Cyclone has G rated tires vs the Torque with load range F.
Check out the standards and options for each at the HeartlandRVs web site. Torque. Cyclone.
Peace
Dave
TravelTiger
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You can call Heartland and ask for the Cyclone brand manager, he can definitely tell you the difference.
For Heartland Cyclone is the top of the line, the Torque is a mid-range unit.
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For Heartland Cyclone is the top of the line, the Torque is a mid-range unit.
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rocrider50
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Wow, I struggled with the same ? My wife and I went around and around comparing a Torque 345 to the Cyclone 3800 and the 20K difference. I wanted the cheaper torque and she wanted the Cyclone. She won of course and some friends bought the 345, we camp a lot together and compare. Every time I say that I like a particular feature she say see it was worth the 20k. Our friends secretly wish they had got the Cyclone as well. The Level Up suspension is a big plus, our 345 friends have thought about adding to their camper. Hitting a button to level your camper any where is a bonus, bigger fridge, stronger tires, etc. If you plan to park and never move it you might make a different decision verses planning to put miles on it. I'm glade we got the 3800 but 20k is 20k. Check the payload available on the 3513, see if it is enough for your toys and gear. You might be close.
As mentioned above, the Cyclone is considered one of Heartland's "Luxury Toy Haulers" where the Torque is just a "mid grade". Also, to compare for price difference, you will need to compare the options that are added. Small things add up the price. For example:
Generator
Refrigerator size
Quantity of Televisions included (looks like the Cyclone gives you 4 and you may only get 1 or 2 with the Torque)
Auto Leveling systems
Tire selection
Awnings
Special cabinets and drawer slides
Air conditioners (size and quantity)
suspension
Etc
Etc....
Generator
Refrigerator size
Quantity of Televisions included (looks like the Cyclone gives you 4 and you may only get 1 or 2 with the Torque)
Auto Leveling systems
Tire selection
Awnings
Special cabinets and drawer slides
Air conditioners (size and quantity)
suspension
Etc
Etc....
I posted this on another thread but it spells out the differences I found between the Torque 345 and the Cyclone 3513, you'll just have to read about the Edge 351 as well.
I did a TON of comparison research while deciding what model toy hauler we would purchase and thought I would share what I learned with the forum, especially since there seems to be limited information floating around on the Edge models. Since we decided to purchase the Edge model this will be mostly based on what options are included and/or available on the Edge 351 compared to the Torque, Road Warrior and Cyclone models.
Let me start by saying the Edge 351 is the same layout (meaning same frames, walls, front caps, slides, etc.) as the Torque 345 and the Cyclone 3513. There is a slight difference with the Cyclone as the bunkhouse/storage access on the Edge and the Torque is from the garage area and on the Cyclone they shifted the entry to the bunk space to the living room side, this appears to have been done to allow the installation of a row of cabinets along the ceiling in the Cyclone. Other than that, all three models are the same as far as the layout.
The master bedroom area of the Edge is the EXACT same as the Road Warrior 427 (down to the color of the bed coverings), nearly the same as the RW413 (different bed covering colors), and very similar to the Cyclone 3513 (different style cabinet knobs and fronts but same layout) and very similar to the Torque 345 (different style cabinet knobs and fronts but same layout).
The master bathroom is also very similar to all of the models listed above. The differences are the Road Warrior models have the solid surface countertop where the Edge does not, but The RW does have the white cabinets like the Edge. The Cyclone also has the solid surface countertop but the cabinets are brown. The Torque also has brown cabinets but does not have the solid surface countertop. All models have the same shower and toilet.
The main living area of all of the Edge 351, Cyclone 3513 and Torque 345 are VERY similar with the differences being in the quality of the cabinets, the appliance options available and the 'extra' trim that is installed on the ceiling of the Cyclone models. The Edge is available with the residential style refrigerator (this was a must for us for our longer trips for our daughter's medical appointments) and I know the Cyclones are also available with this option but I haven't seen the Torque with this option, maybe it could be ordered from the factory. The Edge and Cyclone all come with the electric fireplace, the Torque does not. The Edge and Cyclone all come with the 50" TV installed, the Torque does not come with a TV installed (some dealers add a TV). The Torque also just has a shelf above the entrance door where the other models have a nice double-door cabinet. The Cyclone does come with the higher end stove/gas burners and larger microwave not available on the Torque and Edge.
The garage area of all three models is very similar, with the only real difference being the Cyclone has the row of cabinets mounted up at ceiling level all the way across the front of the garage (and loft access is from the living area). All have the washer/dryer hookups as well as TV hookups. The Cyclone does come with the 3 seasons rear door setup, this isn't listed as an option on the Torque or the Edge but since they all have the same frame and walls I feel like the 3 seasons door could be ordered from Heartland and bolted into the Torque or Edge with no modifications (we plan to try our Edge out and see if this is an upgrade we want, if we decide to do it I will follow up confirming this is a 'bolt-in' upgrade).
The second 1/2 bath is very similar in all three models, main difference being the Cyclone has the solid surface countertop where the Edge and Torque do not.
The exterior of the units are similar with the graphics being the main difference. The Cyclone does come with an additional awning over the garage side entry door not standard on the Torque or Edge. All units are available with the automatic level-up, generator, solar prep, etc. The Edge and the Cyclone come with the water connections, exterior shower, etc. all installed inside a cabinet with a light where the Torque has individual smaller covers for these items. All models come with the rear patio awning and party deck and are pre-wired for a backup camera.
So there is a rundown of what I've learned. We decided to go with the Edge 351 because it was able to check-off all of our wants for MUCH less money than the Cyclone. I think the fact that the Edge line is being discontinued gives the buyer a great deal of leverage with the dealers who still have them in stock, we were able to get the Edge model for less than what the same dealer is asking for the Torque model even with all of the 'extra' items that the Edge has over the Torque as listed above. Hope this may help anyone else who is trying to figure out what the differences are in these models.
I did a TON of comparison research while deciding what model toy hauler we would purchase and thought I would share what I learned with the forum, especially since there seems to be limited information floating around on the Edge models. Since we decided to purchase the Edge model this will be mostly based on what options are included and/or available on the Edge 351 compared to the Torque, Road Warrior and Cyclone models.
Let me start by saying the Edge 351 is the same layout (meaning same frames, walls, front caps, slides, etc.) as the Torque 345 and the Cyclone 3513. There is a slight difference with the Cyclone as the bunkhouse/storage access on the Edge and the Torque is from the garage area and on the Cyclone they shifted the entry to the bunk space to the living room side, this appears to have been done to allow the installation of a row of cabinets along the ceiling in the Cyclone. Other than that, all three models are the same as far as the layout.
The master bedroom area of the Edge is the EXACT same as the Road Warrior 427 (down to the color of the bed coverings), nearly the same as the RW413 (different bed covering colors), and very similar to the Cyclone 3513 (different style cabinet knobs and fronts but same layout) and very similar to the Torque 345 (different style cabinet knobs and fronts but same layout).
The master bathroom is also very similar to all of the models listed above. The differences are the Road Warrior models have the solid surface countertop where the Edge does not, but The RW does have the white cabinets like the Edge. The Cyclone also has the solid surface countertop but the cabinets are brown. The Torque also has brown cabinets but does not have the solid surface countertop. All models have the same shower and toilet.
The main living area of all of the Edge 351, Cyclone 3513 and Torque 345 are VERY similar with the differences being in the quality of the cabinets, the appliance options available and the 'extra' trim that is installed on the ceiling of the Cyclone models. The Edge is available with the residential style refrigerator (this was a must for us for our longer trips for our daughter's medical appointments) and I know the Cyclones are also available with this option but I haven't seen the Torque with this option, maybe it could be ordered from the factory. The Edge and Cyclone all come with the electric fireplace, the Torque does not. The Edge and Cyclone all come with the 50" TV installed, the Torque does not come with a TV installed (some dealers add a TV). The Torque also just has a shelf above the entrance door where the other models have a nice double-door cabinet. The Cyclone does come with the higher end stove/gas burners and larger microwave not available on the Torque and Edge.
The garage area of all three models is very similar, with the only real difference being the Cyclone has the row of cabinets mounted up at ceiling level all the way across the front of the garage (and loft access is from the living area). All have the washer/dryer hookups as well as TV hookups. The Cyclone does come with the 3 seasons rear door setup, this isn't listed as an option on the Torque or the Edge but since they all have the same frame and walls I feel like the 3 seasons door could be ordered from Heartland and bolted into the Torque or Edge with no modifications (we plan to try our Edge out and see if this is an upgrade we want, if we decide to do it I will follow up confirming this is a 'bolt-in' upgrade).
The second 1/2 bath is very similar in all three models, main difference being the Cyclone has the solid surface countertop where the Edge and Torque do not.
The exterior of the units are similar with the graphics being the main difference. The Cyclone does come with an additional awning over the garage side entry door not standard on the Torque or Edge. All units are available with the automatic level-up, generator, solar prep, etc. The Edge and the Cyclone come with the water connections, exterior shower, etc. all installed inside a cabinet with a light where the Torque has individual smaller covers for these items. All models come with the rear patio awning and party deck and are pre-wired for a backup camera.
So there is a rundown of what I've learned. We decided to go with the Edge 351 because it was able to check-off all of our wants for MUCH less money than the Cyclone. I think the fact that the Edge line is being discontinued gives the buyer a great deal of leverage with the dealers who still have them in stock, we were able to get the Edge model for less than what the same dealer is asking for the Torque model even with all of the 'extra' items that the Edge has over the Torque as listed above. Hope this may help anyone else who is trying to figure out what the differences are in these models.
