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rockhound454
01-14-2009, 08:58 PM
I just took bought a Cyclone 3950 (after looking at every thing else under the sun!) - I took it home. set it up in the drive, and turned on the heat only to find out the 30 pound bottle only ran the heat for 2 days. The dealer told me the tanks were filled. Soo either he was spoofing me or the 3950 is a propane hog. I live in Idaho and the temps were ranging from 20 - 40 deg F. Anyone have an estimate for propane usage in cool weather?
Thanks
Rockhound454

HRAI
01-14-2009, 09:30 PM
rockhound454, sounds about right to me for those kinds of temperatures. That's a pretty big trailer to heat and those temperatures require quite a bit of furnace usage. Don't forget the sidewalls are only R7 and the floors and ceiling are R14!

Guy

jnbhobe
01-14-2009, 09:37 PM
Thats sounds about right if your trying to keep it at 70*
or higher without any supplimental heat like an electric heater. Jon :eek: :eek:

jmgratz
01-14-2009, 10:16 PM
I would suggest you get an electric space heater to supplement the propane heater. We went through a 30 lb bottle in 2-3 days when the temps were in your range. Then we bought a Palonis ceramic electric heater at Camping World (about $90). This heater is the safest space heater I have seen. It has a thermostat, tip over cut off, and stays cool to the touch. After getting the Palonis the 30 pound bottle would last 2 weeks. Remember, that it is not insulated like a house though. Also if you do not have double pane windows, if you open the shades you will let in alot of cool air. We keep the shades closed when we want to keep it warm.

jpmorgan37
01-14-2009, 11:58 PM
rockhound454;

Your 30# cylinder only has about 7 gallons of usable propane, so when you are trying to bring a cold RV up to a comfortable temperature, it is going to suck the fuel. I definitely agree with the Pelonis Ceramic Heaters. We use two of them. Bought them online for $69 each and they have been super. We had several other brands before and they didn't last over a year and were nowhere near as efficient. Good luck and welcome to the Heartland family.

John

leftyf
01-15-2009, 01:13 PM
rockhound454;

Your 30# cylinder only has about 7 gallons of usable propane, so when you are trying to bring a cold RV up to a comfortable temperature, it is going to suck the fuel.
John

That is probably the understatement of the year. I used one 30lb bottle from May until November...turned the heater on and the other bottle went in about 8 days.

Try to get the bottle out, filled, and replaced from a wheelchair...

That's the fun with us wheelchair people...we are so much fun to watch!:p

Bob&Patty
01-15-2009, 11:15 PM
Lefty, you are a funny little guy. But I would rather watch someone with all their parts that can't run a screwdriver or know which end to use. Anyone come to mind????? Bob:D

jimtoo
01-15-2009, 11:26 PM
I know someone like that... his initials are J B.

jimtoo
01-15-2009, 11:34 PM
He has been in Branson, Mo. before.. He is coming to Kerrville, Texas in February.
He will drink a margarita ...

Bob&Patty
01-15-2009, 11:38 PM
And he will be face first in the taco's by the end of the night. Bob:D

rockhound454
01-16-2009, 12:23 AM
Thanks Heaps, Guess I will invest in a couple extra bottles as I camp in remote mountain locations with no services nearby. My old camper could go 10 days during the cold elk season on 2 10 pound bottles. But if propane usage is the only trade off I'll take the Cyclone any day. may I suggest putting a cold beer at the base of the propane bottles for a good sam willing to trade a strong back for beer!

htneighbors
01-16-2009, 09:55 AM
Rockhound -
Keep in mind, too, that there is no heater vent in the garage - at least on my model. :( I do keep my garage door open and have a small "tower" type fan blowing warm air from the front out there + I have an electric space heater plugged in the rear bath receptacle and sitting behind the door. I don't want to freeze the HOG sitting out there! :) When running on my 30# bottles, I'd go through one in about 4 days. I LOVE MY CYCLONE!!!

Peteandsharon
01-16-2009, 03:37 PM
I've found this to be a very interesting thread. We took our first significant trip in our new BH 3055 to the badlands this past June. Temps got down around 38-40 degrees a couple of nights and we woke up one morning with no heat. I just figured it had to be mechanical until I checked the propane and found both tanks bone dry. I also rationalized that the dealer had not filled them both when we took it off the lot. I had a 30 ft. travel previously which seemed a lot more economical with the propane. From reading these postings I see that it's probably just the nature of the beast. I'd better invest in a ceramic heater myself. I have the built in fireplace but I would never trust that to run while I slept.

leftyf
01-16-2009, 04:30 PM
Lefty, you are a funny little guy. But I would rather watch someone with all their parts that can't run a screwdriver or know which end to use. Anyone come to mind????? Bob:D

Cough, cough, hack...deep breath...ahem...

Yep.

leftyf
01-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Thanks Heaps, Guess I will invest in a couple extra bottles as I camp in remote mountain locations with no services nearby. My old camper could go 10 days during the cold elk season on 2 10 pound bottles. But if propane usage is the only trade off I'll take the Cyclone any day. may I suggest putting a cold beer at the base of the propane bottles for a good sam willing to trade a strong back for beer!

I'm buying two 40 pound aluminum bottles...and a long extension. Might last a day or two.

jpmorgan37
01-16-2009, 05:44 PM
Check around with local propane suppliers to see what they will rent a 100# cylinder for. Our park has a number of them and we rent them here with the connector hose and most of the long term folks have them. We check them several times a month and fill them as necessary. It's a lot more convenient for them so that they don't have to fool with the 30 pounders.

John

leftyf
01-16-2009, 11:19 PM
Check around with local propane suppliers to see what they will rent a 100# cylinder for. Our park has a number of them and we rent them here with the connector hose and most of the long term folks have them. We check them several times a month and fill them as necessary. It's a lot more convenient for them so that they don't have to fool with the 30 pounders.

John

We got about another two or three weeks of cold..then it's spring time!

I'm going to try to do that in the fall. Thanks, JP. Wish I had of thought of that earlier this year. I ran out of propane last night...got a little cold in here.

Course, with 2 pitbulls...I never get codl.

htneighbors
01-26-2009, 12:09 PM
Check around with local propane suppliers to see what they will rent a 100# cylinder for. Our park has a number of them and we rent them here with the connector hose and most of the long term folks have them. We check them several times a month and fill them as necessary. It's a lot more convenient for them so that they don't have to fool with the 30 pounders.

John

Definitely great advice for long-term parking in the winter! ;) I think the tank I'm renting is eithr 125 or 150lb, sits horizontally. Annual rental is only $41...and they fill as needed!

Ratowns
08-27-2009, 01:49 PM
Something I find odd is that my Heartland has twin 40 pounders and the Cyclone has 30's. Seems like the Cyclone would have twin 40's also. In the cold of the Tennessee winter, my Landmark used one 40 pound bottle of propane every 8 days and that was supplimented with a small ceramic heater plus a oil filled heater. Temp was down at night to mid 20's.

DW_Gray
10-08-2009, 01:05 AM
Well I'm glad I found this thread. It just confirmed my discovery tonight in Oregon. Yep, my filled 30# lasted about 3 days here. So I will go out and get an electric heater. Interestingly, I commented to Amy a few days ago wondering why the RVs aren't electric heat anyway. Seems that since we get electric hook-ups, we could save on propane cost. But maybe the reasons is it would draw more than maximum 50 amps.

jbeletti
10-08-2009, 08:08 AM
Dave,

If you will be living in your RV in sustained temps below freezing, you will need to pump some heat into the basement in order to heat the tanks. This is done with the RV furnace. Just be careful using only electric heat is all I am saying.

As an aside, Dometic does make AC units with a Heat Pump in them. I have one as my main AC unit. I heat exclusively with that unless I am in temps below about 40*F as the Heat Pump cannot extract any heat from the air at temps below that. Then I use the RV furnace.

If you ever contemplated putting an AC unit in the garage, you could move your existing unit there and put an AC with a Heat Pump in the main area. Then you can get nice heated air through all the AC vents. Easy for me to spend your money :)

Jim

kakampers
10-08-2009, 08:56 AM
This is one reason I REALLY like my fireplace...we use it to warm up the lower level, and small ceramic heater sitting on the bedroom floor for the upper level...really helps in conserving propane, and keeps us very comfortable! Usually keeps the temps between 68 and 71...very cozy, even when it's in the teens outside!

Also, like Jim Gratz said, keep the shades completely closed...this keeps a insulating air barrier between the windows and the interior and really helps to keep the cold out. Works for us...

leftyf
10-08-2009, 09:24 AM
Well I'm glad I found this thread. It just confirmed my discovery tonight in Oregon. Yep, my filled 30# lasted about 3 days here. So I will go out and get an electric heater. Interestingly, I commented to Amy a few days ago wondering why the RVs aren't electric heat anyway. Seems that since we get electric hook-ups, we could save on propane cost. But maybe the reasons is it would draw more than maximum 50 amps.

Because most parks have a limited number of 50 amp spots. And, the most of those are being used by their long term people. There still are a lot of parks that do not have 50 amp service, period. If a 30# bottle only lasted 3 days, you must have had the thermostat turned up, way, way up.

And, a lot of parks charge for the electricity for people staying more than a couple of weeks. And, some of those electricity rates that make the cost of propane pretty competitive.

DW_Gray
10-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Because most parks have a limited number of 50 amp spots. And, the most of those are being used by their long term people. There still are a lot of parks that do not have 50 amp service, period. If a 30# bottle only lasted 3 days, you must have had the thermostat turned up, way, way up.

And, a lot of parks charge for the electricity for people staying more than a couple of weeks. And, some of those electricity rates that make the cost of propane pretty competitive.

Actually, Leftyf, we are keeping the thermostat down lower than I like and I'm wearing my jacket. I'm not heating the garage for now. And we are turning it down during the day when we are touring the area. You're right about electric service. We are in a 30 amp spot now and we already learned the limits here.

We are making one more stop going north into Washington, then we're heading southeast to the warmer states.

Oh, here is a question for you all. After about 90 seconds of the furnace coming on, there is popping sound, like the sound of metal expanding, coming from the it; is this normal?

mrcomer
10-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Sometimes these LP tanks do not get purged properly and therefore they will not get filled properly. Check this out (http://home.earthlink.net/~derekgore/rvroadiervfulltimingwhatisitreallylike/id45.html).

Mark

2010augusta
10-08-2009, 03:28 PM
Here in the South Sound of WA, we have used less than half of a 40# cylinder in the last 5 days and over night temps have been in the mid 30's. we keep the t-stat set at 64 at night and 68 in the day. Dual-pane windows and the extra insulation of the LM are nice. We only use the electric heaters
when the temps get down in the teens and 20's.

DW_Gray
10-10-2009, 02:02 AM
I purchased a Lasko Cyclonic Ceramic Heater from Wal-Mart. I couldn't find the other recommend brand locally. So far I haven't had to use the furnace at all. The Lasko is bigger than the other model but it fits nicely out of the way up against the kitchen cabinet wall on the living room side.

charliehorse
10-14-2009, 08:41 AM
are there any issues with the pelonis 4 disc heaters throwing breakers in the 30 amp sundance ? thanks

cookie
10-14-2009, 09:16 AM
charliehorse, I am running a Pelonis four disc heater right now on a 20 amp circuit and it has been going for a week now. No problems.

Peace
Dave

htneighbors
10-14-2009, 09:46 AM
The only time I trip a breaker is when I start the coffee pot or toaster oven and have a heater on the same circuit. 15A circuit can't handle them both.

jmgratz
10-14-2009, 10:13 AM
We have used 2 Polonis 4 disc heaters at the same time without problems. Just run the water heater and fridge on Propane on 30 A

wdk450
10-14-2009, 11:51 AM
Gang:
I learned a new "watch out for" last week. I got the rig out of storage and noticed that one tank was depleted and 12 volts was low - all after being in inside storage for just a week. You guessed it - the thermostat was switched to "furnace" instead of "off" before the rig was stored. Another item for the closing up list!!!