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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Quote Originally Posted by cjb2283 View Post
    So another question...instead of stuffing insulation in my outside shower, what if I blew out the lines to the shower to winterize that section of the system? Would they stay empty as long as I don't use the fixture? Or would the lines fill back up when using the other fixtures (sinks, toilet, or shower)?
    As soon as you turned the water back on for the rest of the coach, there would be water all the way up to the valves in the outdoor shower. To prevent that, you'd have to add cutoff valves where the shower lines connect to the water distribution.


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    Re: Late third season camping...

    On top of that, if your UDC is like mine the water pump and other lines going to the inside of the trailer are just behind the wall where your connections are. Cold air comes up from the bottom of the trailer, into the unprotected UDC and that wall gets as cold as the outside temps. That means the pump and other lines freeze up. Trust me. I thawed those out several times until I figured out why they were freezing.

    After several years of trial and error I found that the low points, fresh water tank drain and the UDC all need some extra protection. I have been down to 15 above for short periods without freeze ups (This spring turkey hunt I woke up to 2 inches of snow and 15 above on May 15th) but the long hours of below freezing during late November and December mean a wake up at about 2 AM when the water pump kicks on because it froze up and thinks it needs to move water in the system.
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    Re: Late third season camping...

    We regularly use our NT in cold weather without issues. Most of the waterlines are inside the coach so you don't have to worry too much about line freeze ups. fresh water tank and outdoor kitchen and maybe the outdoor shower are the areas of most concern for me.

    I run the furnace and use electric heat strip to heat everything.

    Winterize the black tank flush.

    I do run anti freeze (the Polyethylene glycol antifreeze type no alcohols) through the outside shower, outdoor kitchen and then dewinterize the lines for everything else. We don't drink water from the system typically so the antifreeze is not really an issue if there is a trace left in the lines.
    Don't turn on the outside shower or use water from outdoor kitchen and so those lines would be protected by the antifreeze.
    I have not had any freeze up issues with water lines unless it is a hose that was left attached and got below 25 or so overnight. only the water was slushy but otherwise no issues.
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    Re: Late third season camping...

    I run the furnace and use electric heat strip to heat everything.
    In this particular case the OP is asking about hunting in freezing temps. My experience is that other than the generator, which runs for short periods, we don't have 120V and need the water system for showers, dish washing and COFFEE. The black tank is a necessity since freezing your butt off outside is no fun. So antifreeze in the system is a no-go and heat strips are pretty much useless without 120V.

    Generally these hunting trips are dry camping.
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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn1130 View Post
    In this particular case the OP is asking about hunting in freezing temps. My experience is that other than the generator, which runs for short periods, we don't have 120V and need the water system for showers, dish washing and COFFEE. The black tank is a necessity since freezing your butt off outside is no fun. So antifreeze in the system is a no-go and heat strips are pretty much useless without 120V.

    Generally these hunting trips are dry camping.
    The amount of anti freeze in the system is almost zero. All your doing is running enough through the most vulnerable spots primarily outside shower valve. Once you have de-winterized the components( sink, inside showers, toilet etc) you plan to use you really can use everything but the outside shower in freezing weather.


    The dump valves are all contained inside the coroplast they are less likely to freeze. I have never had an issue with black tank freeze up but adding a quart or so of antifreeze to start keeps the tanks ice free until the water volume builds up to retain heat. and you can certainly run the furnace more and not use a heat strip. I use the heat strip to minimize propane usage. I have solar panels and batteries that power my furnace using propane.
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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Quote Originally Posted by cjb2283 View Post
    So another question...instead of stuffing insulation in my outside shower, what if I blew out the lines to the shower to winterize that section of the system? Would they stay empty as long as I don't use the fixture? Or would the lines fill back up when using the other fixtures (sinks, toilet, or shower)?
    There will be water pressure at the fixture and nothing but the plastic door for insulation.
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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post
    There will be water pressure at the fixture and nothing but the plastic door for insulation.
    My 2013 outside shower lines froze last winter I'm sure it would mainly because they're at the end of the system and there's no water flow there I talk to the dealer about shut-off valves he said it would be a waste of time I didn't think it would be I installed them anyhow but put them on both sinks toilet and shower just in case this winter for any reason I need to shut one thing off.

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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Well, I appreciate everyone’s input. The hunting trip was a bust, ended up hiking in the woods with a rifle for 11 days. Saw a bunch of animals, just not the right ones. Saw a lot of Utah’s beautiful high Uinta Mountains. As for the camper...that thing did amazing!!! First night there it got down to 18* and no issues. It snowed twice while out there. Average range each day was 20* in the morning to 50s early afternoon. Coldest I saw was about 10*. No freeze ups, no issues. The only thing I did was constantly ran the water heater and obviously the heat. I did put blankets around the bunk windows and close the curtain to kinda block off that area since it wasn’t being used. And I have the little insulated pads that go in the roof vents and reflect the heat. With the fridge, heat, and water heater running constantly, my dual 7 gallon propane tanks lasted 8 days, used my spare 7 gallon tank and ran to town quick to refill one for the last night. Ran my generator often since the heater ran quite often. Everything ran and worked great I think for the temps we had. Obviously ran the generator a bunch to charge the batteries and when I did I would use the electric water heater to stretch the propane a little. Nice to know that I am good down to 10* for a night. As long as it warms up in the day time it’s all good.


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    Re: Late third season camping...

    Glad it worked for you. At least the camper. Bummer about the hunting but that is why it is "hunting". Your experience was about what we have had.
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