2015 Ford order guide is out

porthole

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Now you can order your F-350 as a F-450

TRAILER TOW PACKAGE – HIGH CAPACITY (535)
Availability
• Optional on F-350 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab Not available with:
• Pickup Box Delete (66D)
Requires:
• 4.30 Limited-slip rear-axle (X4L)
• 6.7L Power Stroke® Diesel engine (99T)
• 172” WB (8’ box) Includes:
• Front Fender Flare Moldings
• Increase GCW on diesel engine from 31,900 lbs. to 35,000 lbs.
• Max Front Springs
• "Wide track" axle

http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty/2015/
 

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scottyb

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After driving our company's F550 with 4.30's down SH 130 at 80 mph, I don't think I would want the 4.30's. I dead-headed back to Phoenix a couple months ago in my F350 and a truck with 4.30's would really wind up the RPM's going 75-80 mph down I-10 for 1000 miles. It's about 15% higher RPM's and I don't feel like they are needed to pull a 18K 5th wheel. They are great for the F550 but it pulls a 26K gooseneck. The wider stance would be nice.
 

scottyb

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I'd like 4.10

Really? That's what I thought before I got mine. I've had mine in the mountains and you know how heavy I am. I have never felt like it was struggling up 7% grades. I will turn 36K on the truck in less than a year so that would be a lot of extra revolutions.

Now a functional exhaust brake would be nice. I wonder if they are going to make some improvements to keep up with the competion?
 

travlingman

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My understanding is they are going to single turbo, larger but forgot size, that will have better turbo braking.
 

alex00

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It's nice to see them bring the 19.5" wheels back to the F450. I think it's funny you can option an F350 to the 450 specs (minus the wheels). Since the new F450 is late availability, I wonder if they will just keep the assembly process of the current F450 and rebadge them as the F350 with option package 535? I'm liking that bronze fire color.
 

porthole

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Really? That's what I thought before I got mine. I've had mine in the mountains and you know how heavy I am. I have never felt like it was struggling up 7% grades. I will turn 36K on the truck in less than a year so that would be a lot of extra revolutions.

Now a functional exhaust brake would be nice. I wonder if they are going to make some improvements to keep up with the competion?

I don't find the highway hills an issue at all. It is that short choppy - what I call roller coaster hills. 2 lane, 35-45 speed limits, 100-300 foot up and down elevation changes in relatively short distances.
On some of the North east Pennsylvania roads I have gotten into the habit of using 4 wheel low. Truck doesn't work as hard and hte lack of a real exhaust brake is minimized.

4.30 is too much, so I figure a split between the two would be good. As for mileage, one of our members here pulling a Landmark, who lives in PA, had a 2011 350 DRW and just before Goshen traded it for a 2013 450. His towing mileage increased with the new truck.

My understanding is they are going to single turbo, larger but forgot size, that will have better turbo braking.

The 6.7 has always been a single turbo, but it has a two stage impeller and housing. Although is "acts" like a twin turbo it really is a one intake, one discharge unit.
One of the key features besides this new "sequential turbo" design was nesting the exhaust ports between the cylinder heads and mounting the intake manifold to the traditional exhaust port side of the engine.

2015 2nd generation 6.7:

GT37 turbo. The GT37 features a single, larger 88-millimeter compressor wheel that replaces the GT32’s dual-sided compressor design. The compressor forces air into the engine’s cylinders to improve performance—especially at high altitude where the air is thinner than at sea level. The turbine size is increased to 72.5 millimeters from 64 millimeters, so exhaust gases have a larger surface area to spin the turbo, providing extra power.

The wastegate and the wastegate controls are eliminated, because the turbo operates at lower peak pressures than the GT32.
The original designers of the current Power Stroke V8 diesel forecasted needs for higher output. This facilitated the larger turbocharger, increasing airflow and creating more power. We’ve dramatically improved performance while reducing overall engine complexity by focusing on the turbo system
—David Ives, Power Stroke technical specialist
A further benefit of the larger turbo is improved engine exhaust braking, manually controlled by a push-button switch on the dashboard. Extra braking power helps reduce wear and tear on wheel brakes and requires less manual brake application from the driver, especially on downhill grades.

Fuel system improvements. Turbo changes drove improvements to the fuel delivery system, specifically a new high-pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors. The pump’s cam stroke is increased to deliver more fuel when desired for increased power. All-new injector tips better atomize the fuel, resulting in improved combustion that enables lower noise, vibration and harshness. Other benefits include cleaner emissions and a reduction in the buildup of fuel deposits on the valves over time.

That turbo braking will be a welcome addition seeing how it is currently almost nonexistent.
And no doubt that last paragraph has a lot to do with the Achilles Heel of a fuel delivery system the Gen 1 engines have.

I suspect there will be many willing to trade up if they can manage it.

The real guess will be the specs, which I presume wlll be released shortly before launch.

425/850 anyone?
 

scottyb

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A further benefit of the larger turbo is improved engine exhaust braking, manually controlled by a push-button switch on the dashboard. Extra braking power helps reduce wear and tear on wheel brakes and requires less manual brake application from the driver, especially on downhill grades.

So they finally followed GM and Dodge's lead on this. That will be a nice addition.
 

GeoFish

Member
Porthole

Thanks for posting the order guide.
This helped me make my decision.
I wanted a Ford F350 with SRW 4 x 4 and was waiting for the improvedtowing capacity beyond the 14,000 Lb. trailer hitch rating.
Looking at page 3 of the order guide, I see the towing rating for aconventional trailer remains the same at 14,000 Lbs.

Also looking atpage 24, the Power Stroke engine HP remains the same at 400 with 800 Lbs. oftorque.

So I ordered mynew Ram 350 SRW 4 x4 last Friday.

 

GeoFish

Member
You can go to a F650 and it will tow as much as a Ram 3500. :confused:

Yes I could, and it has the same 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel that is in my Ram 350.
So if the Power Stroke is so good, why does Ford use the Cummins in the 650 & 75 trucks????
 

caissiel

Senior Member
No way
The Ford has the industrial engine. Better known as the HD unit with sleeved block if it's like the past 5.9 applications.
The Ford SDs and Rams use medium duty engines.


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brianharrison

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No way
The Ford has the industrial engine. Better known as the HD unit with sleeved block if it's like the past 5.9 applications.
The Ford SDs and Rams use medium duty engines.

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Laurent, Ford does have the same Cummins ISB in their 650/750 Link here

Unfortunately the HD (I remember Cats engine) is no longer in this lineup - another victim of emissions standards.

Really, the 650/750 is not a Ford product in my opinion, - it really is an International product....4400 series built in Mexico, with a Ford cab.....

Hope this helps.
Brian
 

scottyb

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Not sure if it is true or not, but it would not be a bad deal if it was an International chassis with a Ford cab. We have a F750 with a C-7 Cat, and it is an incredible truck.

I have a problem with towing 30K with a pickup. That's MST weight and where competition has replaced common sense and sanity has left the building.
 

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