Blizzard NXT capacitors needed

afarmer

Member
Hi! I'm new to the forum. I have a Dometic Blizzard NXT Mdl. H541816A721C0 that needs new capacitors. The Dometic part numbers are 4450011896 and 4450000190, but I can't seem to find them specifically. I would normally just pull the information off the caps directly, but the rig is a couple hours away and I would like to have them on hand next time I go up there.
Thanks!
 

taskswap

Well-known member
If this is accurate:

then this is the capacitor:

so any standard 60/5 should do - it doesn't have to be a Dometic part. They don't make capacitors. :)

I'm no expert but I believe neon bulb starters are all pretty much the same, and you can get them locally at Ace Hardware and so on:
 

travelin2

Pennsylvania Chapter Leaders-retired
1751919856505.jpegThis what a friend told me to get. I carry it still as I’ve have to need it

Lyle
 

jerryjay11

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60/5uF capacitor motor starter for Dometic air conditioning systems not 50/5uf​

That's what the P/N like taskswap stated.
You'll burn out your AC motor with the wrong size cap.
 

taskswap

Well-known member
Mods: Maybe we should have a doc or Wiki page somewhere with "repair parts that are easy to replace, cheap to keep on hand, but hard to find at Walmart". Things in my kit so far:

Sail switch for my furnace
AC capacitors
Fuses
DC main breaker
Delta faucet washer/spring sets (which many Thetford toilets also use)
White/black RV screws (they're always falling out after long trips)
 

wdk450

Well-known member

60/5uF capacitor motor starter for Dometic air conditioning systems not 50/5uf​

That's what the P/N like taskswap stated.
You'll burn out your AC motor with the wrong size cap.
I was thinking that from my electronics training in the Navy in the late '60s to the mid 70's, large electrolytic capacitors have a wide tolerance range. Per Google AI "Large electrolytic capacitors typically have a capacitance tolerance of -20% to +80% or -20% to +20%. This wide tolerance range is common for electrolytic capacitors, especially those with large capacitance values. While tighter tolerances are achievable with other capacitor types, electrolytic capacitors are often used for their high capacitance and are suitable for applications where precise capacitance is not critical, such as in power supply smoothing or decoupling circuits. "
 

taskswap

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This bit about the tolerance range is true but in this case we aren't worried about whether the cap can handle what's thrown at it. It's about whether the compressor in the AC will start and run properly. A dual start/run cap is actually two caps in one and each number represents the size of one of them. So a 50/5 is a 50 and a 5, and a 60/5 is a 60 and a 5. The number more or less represents the capacity. Think of it like a fuel tank size.

As a motor rotates, current flow is not constant - it pulses. A pulse pushes it a bit, another pulse pushes it a bit more, etc. AC power already does this as well, but always at a constant 60Hz. We think of our (US) AC mains power as "120V" but actually that's just the nominal maximum. This is what it actually does:

120V-Pure-Sinewave_1200x500-1024x427.jpg

As you see, the actual instantaneous voltage can be anywhere from 120V to 0. Now consider this. What happens if at the moment the motor is turning to its next position and drawing its next pulse of power, the mains voltage happens to be at 0?

Well, the motor doesn't stop because it also has some inertia to carry it through but it's definitely not going to get the power it needs so it will run very rough and inefficiently. And if you ask the next question "well what if it's not running yet, so it has no inertia" you also answer why you need a second "start" capacitor! The motor has a secondary coil/winding at some angle (30-90 degrees usually - it depends on the motor) away from the main windings. A small pulse on the secondary is just enough oomph to rotate the motor to the proper position for the main windings to take over. It's not identical to a car starter motor but you can think of it that way.

Capacitor-Start-Electric-Motor-industrial-electronics.jpg


Start/run capacitors provide small reserves of power to smooth out these timing mismatches. But think of it like a small battery. If your flashlight is designed for a D cell battery that means it needs 1.5V - that's what D cells put out. But so do AAA batteries - they're rated for (nominally) 1.5V as well. If you tape some wires onto a AAA and connect them to that flashlight, it will work. But it will die very quickly. Because while the AAA is rated for 1.5V its capacity to provide power is tiny compared to the D cell. It's just not big enough as a fuel tank. And it's hard on the battery, too - it might run very hot and die early.

In an emergency you can use a smaller cap where a bigger one is specified but ideally you'd use the proper one matched to what your compressor motor requires to run efficiently.
 

jerryjay11

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My head is spinning guys! I've never downsized a capacitor on an AC compressor. My HVAC/R education and experience tells me not to do this. I may use a capacitor with a higher voltage, but the UF must be correct. A google search tells me:

Using a smaller capacitor than recommended for an AC compressor can lead to problems such as overheating, poor airflow, and shortened motor lifespan1. It is important to select the right capacitor that is compatible with your AC unit23. Using a different capacitor than what it was designed for can cause damage

Use the correct UF, same voltage or higher. KISS
 

taskswap

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Ha, just ignore me. 😀 I overtalk everything. I figured if nothing else, this will be in the archives for someone else's future reference.
 

jerryjay11

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Ha, just ignore me. 😀 I overtalk everything. I figured if nothing else, this will be in the archives for someone else's future reference.
It was fun reading though most RV owners wouldn't grasp what you were talking about. Otherwise, they wouldn't come here to ask for help. But I did find it interesting.
 
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