I have a 2008 Heartland Razor 3110DS and RV shop says my springs are flat and need to replaced. I currently have 6000lb Lippert axles with 4 leaf springs. Shop says for this toyhauler he recommends at least a 5 leaf. Any brands, specific place where you guys have purchased these upgraded springs. I'm in the Dallas, Tx. area. Thx. LR.
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Re: Another case of flat springs
You could get them right from Lippert for about $60 each, or contact a spring company in your area.
Peace
Dave
You could get them right from Lippert for about $60 each, or contact a spring company in your area.
Peace
Dave
TravelTiger
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Re: Another case of flat springs
Not a toy hauler, but Emco is the brand we used, I believe made in Oklahoma. We used local big-rig truck shop to do ours. Went from 4 to 5 leaf, 3500lb, I think... We did ours in summer 2011. Still looking good.
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Not a toy hauler, but Emco is the brand we used, I believe made in Oklahoma. We used local big-rig truck shop to do ours. Went from 4 to 5 leaf, 3500lb, I think... We did ours in summer 2011. Still looking good.
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wdk450
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Re: Another case of flat springs
If those are the original springs, there were a lot of them going flat in the 2007-2010 production era. 3 of mine were flat within the first 2 years. A lot of talk about possibly poor Chinese quality steel then. Some people had horror stories of these springs breaking while on the road.
If those are the original springs, there were a lot of them going flat in the 2007-2010 production era. 3 of mine were flat within the first 2 years. A lot of talk about possibly poor Chinese quality steel then. Some people had horror stories of these springs breaking while on the road.
Re: Another case of flat springs
The EMCO springs are made in Tulsa, OK. not in China. I will plan to buy those. That junk from Lippert/China has got to go. So far everything on this trailer has turned out to be cheap. Sorry, I've just had bad luck so far with the Heartland brand. Much happier with previous trailers from other manufacturers. LR.
The EMCO springs are made in Tulsa, OK. not in China. I will plan to buy those. That junk from Lippert/China has got to go. So far everything on this trailer has turned out to be cheap. Sorry, I've just had bad luck so far with the Heartland brand. Much happier with previous trailers from other manufacturers. LR.
wdk450
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My personal take on poor quality of items from China in that 2008 - 2010 era is that the Chinese government clamped down on corruption in industry, executed some of the miscreants, and you don't hear about these kind of problems with Chinese goods so much anymore.
My personal take on poor quality of items from China in that 2008 - 2010 era is that the Chinese government clamped down on corruption in industry, executed some of the miscreants, and you don't hear about these kind of problems with Chinese goods so much anymore.
GOTTOYS
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Re: Another case of flat springs
Southwest Wheel is right in your area. They sell the 5 leaf spring made by Emco. I think they are rated at 3300# each. Very good prices also...Don
brianharrison
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Made me laugh.
Gary521
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Also try http://www.nueratrailerparts.com/ they have a store in Dallas. Phone 214-637-2461, 1244 Round Table Dr, Dallas, TX 75247.
Also try http://www.nueratrailerparts.com/ they have a store in Dallas. Phone 214-637-2461, 1244 Round Table Dr, Dallas, TX 75247.
rickandjoyce
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Re: Another case of flat springs
I believe there's more to these flat springs than poor Chinese quality steel. Our leaf spring broke on one axle as we were pulling out of our RV park yesterday. Luckily there is an RV repair shop right next door. They came back to our site - ordered the replacement springs. They arrived today but when they pulled the old ones off they looked at the part number and determined the factory installed springs were under capacity and therefore overloaded. The part number was 93103 which supports 4.4k per axle. That obviously equals 8.8K for the total. Our dry weight listed on the door is over 9700 lbs. We our now ordering the 93160 part number that is 6.6K per axle. Those are the ones that should have been installed originally. I'm going to contact Heartland as I believe they should take responsibility. We should have had springs factory installed that at least supported the dry weight of the rig. has anyone else experience this?
Joyce and Rick morones
I believe there's more to these flat springs than poor Chinese quality steel. Our leaf spring broke on one axle as we were pulling out of our RV park yesterday. Luckily there is an RV repair shop right next door. They came back to our site - ordered the replacement springs. They arrived today but when they pulled the old ones off they looked at the part number and determined the factory installed springs were under capacity and therefore overloaded. The part number was 93103 which supports 4.4k per axle. That obviously equals 8.8K for the total. Our dry weight listed on the door is over 9700 lbs. We our now ordering the 93160 part number that is 6.6K per axle. Those are the ones that should have been installed originally. I'm going to contact Heartland as I believe they should take responsibility. We should have had springs factory installed that at least supported the dry weight of the rig. has anyone else experience this?
Joyce and Rick morones
Re: Another case of flat springs
Well, your springs may not have been under sized for your trailer. Although they may be near the max.
If your springs support 4.4k per axle that translates to 8.8k on the axles.
Your pin will support a portion of the trailer weight. If the dry weight is listed at 9,700 pounds, then that means about 1,000 pounds on the pin.
You most likely have 2k or more on the pin.
So 2k + 8.8k = 10.8k.
Peace
Dave
Well, your springs may not have been under sized for your trailer. Although they may be near the max.
If your springs support 4.4k per axle that translates to 8.8k on the axles.
Your pin will support a portion of the trailer weight. If the dry weight is listed at 9,700 pounds, then that means about 1,000 pounds on the pin.
You most likely have 2k or more on the pin.
So 2k + 8.8k = 10.8k.
Peace
Dave
rickandjoyce
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Re: Another case of flat springs
Thanks to both folks for the reply. The total weight for all four is 8.8k. We did not take the pin weight into consideration. I guess when they are manufactured, the factory may include the weight on the pin. However, considering 9700 lbs. dry - 10.8k is still a stretch. We will feel much safer when we have the new springs on. The one broke and the rest were flattened. Our 5/w isn't even two years old and this is our first long trip. We have pulled it about 4000 miles total. The repair shop also told us that sharp turns can affect them. We have a short bed with a pull-rite hitch and have had to take several "sharp" turns when parking in tight RV parks. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks
Thanks to both folks for the reply. The total weight for all four is 8.8k. We did not take the pin weight into consideration. I guess when they are manufactured, the factory may include the weight on the pin. However, considering 9700 lbs. dry - 10.8k is still a stretch. We will feel much safer when we have the new springs on. The one broke and the rest were flattened. Our 5/w isn't even two years old and this is our first long trip. We have pulled it about 4000 miles total. The repair shop also told us that sharp turns can affect them. We have a short bed with a pull-rite hitch and have had to take several "sharp" turns when parking in tight RV parks. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks
Re: Another case of flat springs
I've taken a LOT of sharp turns, including many U-Turns. I can see how the plies will want to come apart. So far - so good on mine (Dexter).
Happy to hear you got yourself all fixed up with springs you're happy with.
Jim
I've taken a LOT of sharp turns, including many U-Turns. I can see how the plies will want to come apart. So far - so good on mine (Dexter).
Happy to hear you got yourself all fixed up with springs you're happy with.
Jim
rickandjoyce
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Re: Another case of flat springs
I just wanted to update everyone on our broken leaf springs situation. The Heartland folks pointed me in the direction of Lippert. I called Lippert and spoke with a very nice man named Shannon Hunter. The bottom line is he asked me to send pictures, with serial numbers and axle numbers to him. After many conversations, Shannon sent us an RMA number for us to ship the springs back to Lippert for testing. I spoke with Shannon today and the springs did not test to spec (not a surprise). After going over our repair bill and working with Shannon, they are sending us a check for $569.00 which covers a good majority of what we had to pay out. We have been out of warranty almost two years, but Lippert stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. My husband and I knew right away something was very wrong when we saw how these springs broke. I didn't know how it would turn out, but, Shannon and I were able to work together, through polite conversation to reach a mutually agreeable resolution.
I just wanted to update everyone on our broken leaf springs situation. The Heartland folks pointed me in the direction of Lippert. I called Lippert and spoke with a very nice man named Shannon Hunter. The bottom line is he asked me to send pictures, with serial numbers and axle numbers to him. After many conversations, Shannon sent us an RMA number for us to ship the springs back to Lippert for testing. I spoke with Shannon today and the springs did not test to spec (not a surprise). After going over our repair bill and working with Shannon, they are sending us a check for $569.00 which covers a good majority of what we had to pay out. We have been out of warranty almost two years, but Lippert stepped up to the plate and did the right thing. My husband and I knew right away something was very wrong when we saw how these springs broke. I didn't know how it would turn out, but, Shannon and I were able to work together, through polite conversation to reach a mutually agreeable resolution.
Westwind
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Re: Another case of flat springs
Lippert gets a lot of bad press, but I have read about more people on this forum getting help and compensation from them and most are out of warranty. So I don't think they are such a bad company. The ones that blow you off aren't companies that deserve more business.
Lippert gets a lot of bad press, but I have read about more people on this forum getting help and compensation from them and most are out of warranty. So I don't think they are such a bad company. The ones that blow you off aren't companies that deserve more business.
