RIOF16
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About Cyclones and other pontifications
Just remember Lakeshore RV center is still a dealer, and John is still a salesman. That means they are in this to profit from YOU. Having said that, I believe they are about as honest as you could find in a dealer. Remember, ultimately, they are in it for THEIR interest, not yours. That means YOU need to make sure you are getting what you paid for and ASSUME NOTHING. ASSUME NOTHING. Take your time, slow down, and make sure everything is like you were promised and what you expected. In fact, be nice and respectful, but assume that it won't be right before you show up. MINE WASN'T. Reference previous post for examples like the heat pump. That was a factory mistake, but Lakeshore didn't do a good enough inspection to find it either before I showed up. Now, this tells me a lot about how they really go through the trailer and make sure it's ALL RIGHT and as you ordered before you get there doesn't it? They assumed, didn't they? Will they make it right? Well, sort of. They have offered to either pay me back for the option, or have it installed at no extra cost. Sounds good right? Except one little problem: I still need the heat pump and solar charger. So that means I have to pull the trailer to somewhere to get it installed. And, will it be installed correctly, as good as factory? I wonder. What about my fuel and wear on my truck, and MOST importantly, what about my TIME!? Think I'll be reimbursed for that? Lesson learned: assume there will be issues, and in the end you will pay more than you think. That way, you won't be disappointed as badly by being naive. Bummer, but that's life. Heaven won't be like that. In fact, if you believe in Jesus Christ, He will make sure it is the opposite: better than you could ever imagine, and it won't end.
Another example: 180 dollar processing fee on the sales agreement. Did I know that was coming? No. Big deal? Not really, but it's YOUR hard earned money, make them earn it. You see, this world is all about deception. I say I will sell you something for 46,600, and in reality, you are just getting started. Options, taxes, "processing fees", insurance, extended warranty, title, registration, interest cost, loan fees, etc. Not to mention maintenance, repairs, and operating costs. So, let's say you pay 1400 for an extended warranty. You think that means it will never cost you anything ever again to fix the trailer? What if the fridge quits. The warranty will cover it, right? Well, sort of. What about the 50 dollar deductible? Where will you get it worked on? How about your TIME? Will you take a day off work to pull it to the dealer? Then another day off a week later to pick it up? What about the 100 bucks or more in fuel to transport it for repairs? Not covered.
All I am saying, is don't be ignorant. It will save you pain. I knew I was paying more than what it's really worth, but the other option is to sit in a corner and never experience life.
And the bottom line is, I think John will do his best to earn your money, and I would definitely order from him again. Don't go very far with this, but just remember, they have to make a profit. It's just that salemen and dealers of any kind are WAY overpaid. I have been through countless years of college, schooling, training, wars, getting shot at, killing people, and YEARS sacrificed away from my family to be qualified for the job I now work. Now, I have a job that pays me a good paycheck because of my years of experience and qualifications, and the great responsibility to get 137 people safely back to the ground repeatedly everyday. See any difference in who "earns" what they're paid? Just like movie stars and their millions, right? Life isn't anywhere near being fair, I've just chosen to take my little piece and make it the best I can and sincerely care about and help other "normal people" along the way. To me, all this trouble to get this trailer is worth the few days of joy it will provide me and the lab when we're sitting in a duck blind in Maryland or out in South Dakota hunting pheasant.
Now, is the cyclone worth 50 grand? No, but this is 2008, and if you buy anything at all these days, you have to pay more than it's worth because the dollars in your pocket don't buy much anymore because of government corruption and OVER TAXATION. Bottom line is, the government isn't by the people, for the people anymore, isn't government by the government for the government, and that means your blood is what they want to support them. It's time for another Boston Tea Party. Anyway, don't get me started
Could I have "talked them down" anymore? Probably, but I'm too nice for my own good. I paid the price assuming [oops] that I would get taken well care of for the thousands in profit they are making. You see, even after all my life's lessons, I can't help but think the best in people. And it's still going to cost me to make it like I expected it to be.
All I am saying is protect yourself and assume nothing.
By the way, Mike in service did my PDI, and he is a great dude. He didn't know jack about my trailer, but when I pointed something out, he fixed it happily. Seriously, he didn't even know what options I had on it. He stood right there looking right at my fridge and said "yep, that's the bigger upgraded one". Well, it's actually not. A simple referencing of the model number on google will tell the truth: 8 cubic feet.
Don't assume your service guy is a cyclone expert. He's not. YOU should be before you show up. Do your research and ask us, the actual owners who push the buttons and watch it work. Even though I just bought it and don't know everything about it yet, you can ask me something and I'll go look at it or turn it on and we'll find out.
Again I will say after all this that I'm glad I got the cyclone. It's a really cool trailer, and my lab likes it, which is what really matters
Good luck, I gotta go run before I fly today.
RIO
http://home.att.net/~soloshideaway/751/tree.htm
Just remember Lakeshore RV center is still a dealer, and John is still a salesman. That means they are in this to profit from YOU. Having said that, I believe they are about as honest as you could find in a dealer. Remember, ultimately, they are in it for THEIR interest, not yours. That means YOU need to make sure you are getting what you paid for and ASSUME NOTHING. ASSUME NOTHING. Take your time, slow down, and make sure everything is like you were promised and what you expected. In fact, be nice and respectful, but assume that it won't be right before you show up. MINE WASN'T. Reference previous post for examples like the heat pump. That was a factory mistake, but Lakeshore didn't do a good enough inspection to find it either before I showed up. Now, this tells me a lot about how they really go through the trailer and make sure it's ALL RIGHT and as you ordered before you get there doesn't it? They assumed, didn't they? Will they make it right? Well, sort of. They have offered to either pay me back for the option, or have it installed at no extra cost. Sounds good right? Except one little problem: I still need the heat pump and solar charger. So that means I have to pull the trailer to somewhere to get it installed. And, will it be installed correctly, as good as factory? I wonder. What about my fuel and wear on my truck, and MOST importantly, what about my TIME!? Think I'll be reimbursed for that? Lesson learned: assume there will be issues, and in the end you will pay more than you think. That way, you won't be disappointed as badly by being naive. Bummer, but that's life. Heaven won't be like that. In fact, if you believe in Jesus Christ, He will make sure it is the opposite: better than you could ever imagine, and it won't end.
Another example: 180 dollar processing fee on the sales agreement. Did I know that was coming? No. Big deal? Not really, but it's YOUR hard earned money, make them earn it. You see, this world is all about deception. I say I will sell you something for 46,600, and in reality, you are just getting started. Options, taxes, "processing fees", insurance, extended warranty, title, registration, interest cost, loan fees, etc. Not to mention maintenance, repairs, and operating costs. So, let's say you pay 1400 for an extended warranty. You think that means it will never cost you anything ever again to fix the trailer? What if the fridge quits. The warranty will cover it, right? Well, sort of. What about the 50 dollar deductible? Where will you get it worked on? How about your TIME? Will you take a day off work to pull it to the dealer? Then another day off a week later to pick it up? What about the 100 bucks or more in fuel to transport it for repairs? Not covered.
All I am saying, is don't be ignorant. It will save you pain. I knew I was paying more than what it's really worth, but the other option is to sit in a corner and never experience life.
And the bottom line is, I think John will do his best to earn your money, and I would definitely order from him again. Don't go very far with this, but just remember, they have to make a profit. It's just that salemen and dealers of any kind are WAY overpaid. I have been through countless years of college, schooling, training, wars, getting shot at, killing people, and YEARS sacrificed away from my family to be qualified for the job I now work. Now, I have a job that pays me a good paycheck because of my years of experience and qualifications, and the great responsibility to get 137 people safely back to the ground repeatedly everyday. See any difference in who "earns" what they're paid? Just like movie stars and their millions, right? Life isn't anywhere near being fair, I've just chosen to take my little piece and make it the best I can and sincerely care about and help other "normal people" along the way. To me, all this trouble to get this trailer is worth the few days of joy it will provide me and the lab when we're sitting in a duck blind in Maryland or out in South Dakota hunting pheasant.
Now, is the cyclone worth 50 grand? No, but this is 2008, and if you buy anything at all these days, you have to pay more than it's worth because the dollars in your pocket don't buy much anymore because of government corruption and OVER TAXATION. Bottom line is, the government isn't by the people, for the people anymore, isn't government by the government for the government, and that means your blood is what they want to support them. It's time for another Boston Tea Party. Anyway, don't get me started
Could I have "talked them down" anymore? Probably, but I'm too nice for my own good. I paid the price assuming [oops] that I would get taken well care of for the thousands in profit they are making. You see, even after all my life's lessons, I can't help but think the best in people. And it's still going to cost me to make it like I expected it to be.
All I am saying is protect yourself and assume nothing.
By the way, Mike in service did my PDI, and he is a great dude. He didn't know jack about my trailer, but when I pointed something out, he fixed it happily. Seriously, he didn't even know what options I had on it. He stood right there looking right at my fridge and said "yep, that's the bigger upgraded one". Well, it's actually not. A simple referencing of the model number on google will tell the truth: 8 cubic feet.
Don't assume your service guy is a cyclone expert. He's not. YOU should be before you show up. Do your research and ask us, the actual owners who push the buttons and watch it work. Even though I just bought it and don't know everything about it yet, you can ask me something and I'll go look at it or turn it on and we'll find out.
Again I will say after all this that I'm glad I got the cyclone. It's a really cool trailer, and my lab likes it, which is what really matters
Good luck, I gotta go run before I fly today.
RIO
http://home.att.net/~soloshideaway/751/tree.htm
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