D-S, hey thanks for the reply. Did not see what I was looking for at those links, but then again I should have explained myself a bit better. When we were shopping for toy haulers, we came across a newer Torque T31 I think it was. It had come with a cable kit to hold up the ramp and railings to contain pets and small children. Though I do not need the railings, I was inquiring as to the availability of those cable kits that Heartland installs on some of their Torques. I've found some aftermarket ones but was kind of holding out to see what Heartland used. I've rattled off an email but did not get a reply as of yet. Not in a huge hurry but it would be nice to get one installed this year.