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2psnapod2
03-03-2012, 07:28 PM
I am going to start a new project tomorrow. Going to replace the OEM fan in the bathroom with a MaxxFan. What is the best method to remove all the old caulk that is on the old fan housing on the roof?

danemayer
03-03-2012, 08:18 PM
Don't know the answer, but I did read a Dicor warning that products with petroleum distillates will ruin the EPDM roof.

TandT
03-03-2012, 08:24 PM
I took a plastic putty knife and GENTLY removed the old caulk on a warm day, so it was more plyable. (Taking care not to rip the rubber roof). Then I used my hands to kind of roll off as much of the remaining product as possible. I would not use any chemicals.
I don't think it has to be perfect. I would just get as much of the old residue off as you can. Trace

Ray LeTourneau
03-03-2012, 11:17 PM
Trace and Dan are correct. No solvents up there. I've used a "not too sharp" putty knife and just get under the edge of the existing fans frame. You can remove the putty covering the screws easy enough just be careful not to cut too deep. Remaining caulk material can be cleaned up with simple green and still make a good seal with new caulk. Run a bead around the perimeter of the opening and set the new fan frame into the hole. Screw it down and use the self leveling stuff over the screw heads and frame perimeter and you should be good to go.

PeternLiane
03-04-2012, 12:28 AM
I used a dull putty knife too. Once I removed all of the caulking, I use window cleaner to clean up the residue. Make sure to put the bead of caulk around the perimeter before you screw it down. The caulk the rest including the screws.

2psnapod2
03-04-2012, 09:11 AM
Thanks for the replies, I was really apprehensive about that at first, since I new I did not want any leaks. No I have an Idea about how to do it and I think I will be good to go. I never thought about a bead of caulk around it first since it says to use buytl tape around the flange but I will add a bead of caulk also. Now I need to run to Lowes. :)

cookie
03-04-2012, 09:15 AM
I would not use a bead of caulk before installing the fan. You will never get it off again if the need should arise.
Use the Butyl tape.
After the install you will need to use some self leveling lap caulk available at any RV dealer.
JMO.

Peace
Dave

2psnapod2
03-04-2012, 09:27 AM
Cookie, thanks for clearing that up.

hillsonwheels
03-04-2012, 10:54 AM
One "whatchamcallit" :rolleyes: you might want to add to your tool kit is a plastic putty knife. They are cheap, come in all sizes, the edge can be redressed with a file and, can be picked up on one of your trips to Lowes or Home "Debit". :eek: I have used one successfully to remove caulking all around our coach. Neat thing is they it do not scratch the fiberglass. :cool:

Dick

2psnapod2
03-04-2012, 11:32 AM
One "whatchamcallit" :rolleyes: you might want to add to your tool kit is a plastic putty knife. They are cheap, come in all sizes, the edge can be redressed with a file and, can be picked up on one of your trips to Lowes or Home "Debit". :eek: I have used one successfully to remove caulking all around our coach. Neat thing is they it do not scratch the fiberglass. :cool:

Dick

Thanks Dick, it is on the list. :)

Ray LeTourneau
03-04-2012, 11:45 AM
I would not use a bead of caulk before installing the fan. You will never get it off again if the need should arise.
Use the Butyl tape.
JMO.

Peace
Dave
This makes a lot of sense. I wasn't aware they supplied butyl tape. When I moved ours from the bedroom to the WC I used a bead of caulk. I really didn't plan on removing it but I think I could still get it separated. Is this a great forum or what???

brianharrison
03-04-2012, 04:48 PM
I did this mod on my bedroom fan last year. Here are some pics.

I "did" use mineral spirits to clean up the old self leveling Dicor- I was aware of the ramifications, however I kept it light and only applied it on a lint free cloth and wiped the old "goop". It works very well and I wanted to leave as much old goop in place to prevent me from cutting the EPDM trying to get it all off. The new Maxxfan OD dimensions were identical to the old fan vent so made it quite easy.

I also used new butyl tape on the underside of the new flange, and left most of the old butyl tape on from the previous vent.

As you pry up the old flange, hold down the EPDM with your other hand to prevent pulling it away from the underlying plywood sheathing.

When installing the new screws into the new Maxxfan flange, only tighten them enough to snug up the flange until the butyl tape starts to compress. Too tight and you will crack the flange, or sqeeze and thin out the butyl tape.

Be generous with the new Dicor self leveling sealant and overlap well. I used one whole tube.


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PS - Micheal, here is a video installing the MaxxFan - you may already have seen it.... --> Link to MaxxFan Install Video (http://www.maxxair.com/maxxfan-remote-control.html)

Take care,
Brian

hillsonwheels
03-04-2012, 05:42 PM
Inquiring minds need to know.........How do the Max Air and Fantastic fans compare? Are there clear advantages on one compared to the other or is it just a matter of personal choice? Has anyone done a comparison?

Dick

brianharrison
03-04-2012, 06:15 PM
No "engineered" comparison for moving air - but I have a Fantastic in the kitchen and the MaxxFan in the bedroom; both "seem" to move the same air.

MaxxFan has integral cover, lower profile when closed comparing to Fantastic and cover, no wall controls with the retrofit MaxxFan but there is a remote if you buy the top of line model. MaxxFan no rain sensor but shouldn't be bothered by rain due to vent down angle.

Just looked online and there are wall remotes but probaby best suited for original installs (OEM) as you have to fish a 6 wire conductor to the remote wall switch.

I'll give it some more thought and add later if I think of more.

Brian

PS - Picture of Fantastic Fan with MaxAir cover in foreground, Maxxfan towards front of trailer.

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2psnapod2
03-04-2012, 06:44 PM
Ray, they did not include the butyl tape in the set up. I ordered some that was 3/4 inch and looks like I will have plenty if needed for a while.

Brian, thanks for the GREAT Pictures. Those will help me a lot.


I still have been able to get on to this project. I HAD to go to a RV show in the area. You know I just HAD to go. :) But hopefully will have it completed before the Elko Rally or I might be doing it during that time.

57chevyconvt
03-04-2012, 09:27 PM
The method of removing roof caulking that I have used for a number of years to remove and replace refrigerator roof vents, sky lights, and plumbing vents is by using a metal putty knife with a very thin blade 0.010" thk. at the business end that has the corners radius to prevent gouging the EPDM rubber. I bent the putty knife blade with my fingers to about a 15 deg. angle. by pressing down on the putty knife blade to keep it flat against the rubber roof material and moving from side to side, you will be able to very neatly remove the old caulking. BTW - I purchased the thin blade putty knife from Lowe's. After the majority of the old caulking is removed, I use a spray can of Brake Clean, non-chlorinated, solvent to clean the EPDM rubber prior to laying down the butyl tape and new self-leveling caulking. I don't spray the Brake Clean on the EPDM rubber but on a lint free cloth rag for this cleaning operation. Composition of the Brake Clean is basicly methanol and acetone. This is the solvent that the RV repair shops use around here. I am very aware of the ill effect of any petroleum based solvents on EPDM rubber. As Brian noted above, lint free rag and mineral spirits works well also, just use it sparingly.

hillsonwheels
03-06-2012, 07:28 PM
Brian....thanks for the input. Have a Fantastic fan in the kitchen. Been thinking about something different in the bathroom. Trying to gather info to make a good choice.

Dick

2psnapod2
03-06-2012, 08:36 PM
Well, I got the goop off and the fan simi-installed. It got too dark, since I started it at about 5pm after I got off work. Will finish up tomorrow. That stuff was not easy to get off. The buytl tape was not to bad but where it and the caulking joined was really a mess. But I am glad it is done. Now to just finish up. I will post a couple of finished pics, since I did not take any since Brian had posted his and it was pretty much the same. Kelly did take a couple with me working, maybe she will post those.

Ray LeTourneau
03-06-2012, 08:59 PM
Well, I got the goop off and the fan simi-installed. It got too dark, since I started it at about 5pm after I got off work. Will finish up tomorrow. That stuff was not easy to get off. The buytl tape was not to bad but where it and the caulking joined was really a mess. But I am glad it is done. Now to just finish up. I will post a couple of finished pics, since I did not take any since Brian had posted his and it was pretty much the same. Kelly did take a couple with me working, maybe she will post those.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:Michael, did she take pictures of you working for a reason???:angel:

2psnapod2
03-08-2012, 07:25 AM
That's a good one Ray, she had to get the pics to have proof that I actually worked at some point. :D But really she has been posting on a blog for about a month and a half now and of course that had to go into it. Oh well it was nice to be doing some work like that again. Before I went back into the Army, I was a heating and Air Conditioner Installer and did a lot of thinks just like that. Even put in a few mobile home units back in the days. Got tired of all the Attics and Crawlspaces! And do I fill it in my back now.

jbeletti
03-08-2012, 08:06 AM
For those who have the Fantastic Vent fans and want covers for them, consider the new covers now offered by Fantastic. They allow the fans to fully open and remain on, no matter what the conditions are. This may be more cost effective for some.

I have them on my new demo coach and I saw a side by side analysis with these covers, versus other brands of covers. Good stuff.

That said, if you don't have the real nice Fantastic Vent fans and are in need, then you have many more options on what you replace the cheapie with.

Jim

brianharrison
03-08-2012, 11:46 AM
For those who have the Fantastic Vent fans and want covers for them, consider the new covers now offered by Fantastic. They allow the fans to fully open and remain on, no matter what the conditions are. This may be more cost effective for some.

I have them on my new demo coach and I saw a side by side analysis with these covers, versus other brands of covers. Good stuff.

That said, if you don't have the real nice Fantastic Vent fans and are in need, then you have many more options on what you replace the cheapie with.

Jim

This one? http://www.fantasticvent.com/products/ultrabreeze.html

nscaler2
03-08-2012, 08:36 PM
For those who have the Fantastic Vent fans and want covers for them, consider the new covers now offered by Fantastic. They allow the fans to fully open and remain on, no matter what the conditions are. This may be more cost effective for some.

I have them on my new demo coach and I saw a side by side analysis with these covers, versus other brands of covers. Good stuff.

That said, if you don't have the real nice Fantastic Vent fans and are in need, then you have many more options on what you replace the cheapie with.

Jim

Jim,
With your experience with these, do you know how much extra height this adds to the coach? When we had the Mor/ryde IS suspension added they added some box tube spacers to the frame along with other braces to make the whole thing more level with our truck. This makes or 3055RL near being 13"6". Any more and we would have to be looking for different routes to travel because we would be taller than an 18 wheeler.
Thanks