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TXBobcat
12-28-2016, 09:32 PM
I just got a 2016 F350 and am thinking of taking the tank out of my 2006 F250 and using it. However the company that made it, American Tank, doesn't seem to be still in business.

I was wondering what and where you may have purchased your tank. I want one that fits below the bed rails so I can get a cover for the bed. So I don't want one that I have to pump from one tank to the other. I would like to find one like I have (if I don't use the one in my 2006) that I can swap tanks by just flipping a toggle switch on the dash.

What do you have and where did you get it. BTW I am not one that will install it, but get it done for me. Don't have the tools and I am to old to mess with it..

Thanks
BC

jnbhobe
12-28-2016, 10:01 PM
Bob, use your old tank and gravity feed it into your main tank. You can get the kit for $70, then get a 12V solonoid valve and hook it to one of your upfitter switches. It won't mess up your computer and keeps track of everything. Better than $700 + for a new tank. I have done it that way on 4 trucks

TomMar
12-28-2016, 10:27 PM
I just got a 2016 F350 and am thinking of taking the tank out of my 2006 F250 and using it. However the company that made it, American Tank, doesn't seem to be still in business.

I was wondering what and where you may have purchased your tank. I want one that fits below the bed rails so I can get a cover for the bed. So I don't want one that I have to pump from one tank to the other. I would like to find one like I have (if I don't use the one in my 2006) that I can swap tanks by just flipping a toggle switch on the dash.

What do you have and where did you get it. BTW I am not one that will install it, but get it done for me. Don't have the tools and I am to old to mess with it..

Thanks
BC

Bob - I have the 45 gal tank from the same company, used it in my F250 and 1st F350 and now have in in this F350 and earlier this year the 6 way valve shorted out. Just like Jon said in the other post it is very easy to change over to a gravity feed tank and it works great. Camping World has the parts you need (approx. $60). The 6way valve can be removed and two regular fuel hoses installed across the location of the valve. One more thing, a 12v solenoid is used if you want to switch it from the cab. When I am on the road I leave the manual valve open and when the fuel gauge begins to drop I start looking for a convenient place to fill up. Usually this happen about the time I get to my next camp site

Oregon_Camper
12-28-2016, 11:10 PM
Had my Aux Tank installed in my 2016 F-350 last summer...and I love it!!

I got the one that sits below bed rails and with a power pump and fuel gauge. Love being able to turn on the pump whenI want the tank to fill main tank (vs gravity feed)

This is from their site (not my truck)

49020

ATTA Tanks
http://www.attatank.com/categories/AUXILIARY-FUEL-TANKS/UNDER-BED-COVER-TANKS/BELOW-BED-RAIL-TANK/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLRYDArpRvo&feature=youtu.be

Terry H
12-29-2016, 12:44 AM
Bob,

ATTA is in Fort Worth you can pick it up the tank from their plant and they can install it for you while you wait. They have great customer service. Give them a call, see what they can do for you.

dlw930
12-29-2016, 08:50 AM
Northern Tool carries the RDS tanks and combo units. I have the 40 gal. tank/tool box combo that fits below the bed rails. The toolbox is 10" deep. My Chevy is a long bed so there's room for some bed storage between the combo unit and the hitch. I don't think Northern Tool does installation, but there may be RDS dealers in the DFW area that do. You can get the RDS units in either chrome or black finish. Black is about $100 more.


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TXBobcat
12-29-2016, 02:37 PM
I do appreciate all the comments. I have a combo 45gal tank I am thinking about removing from the 06 and putting it in the 16. Not sure how all the connections will go but I will enlist some help.

Thanks for all the info. I will keep in touch and looking for more info if available.


BC

TravelTiger
12-29-2016, 11:11 PM
I do appreciate all the comments. I have a combo 45gal tank I am thinking about removing from the 06 and putting it in the 16. Not sure how all the connections will go but I will enlist some help.

Thanks for all the info. I will keep in touch and looking for more info if available.


BC

Bobcat, we moved our Dually Depot tank from our 2004 to 2013 (both GMC trucks). Had a mechanic friend do it, and he had to fabricate a part for the fuel line connection since it had to be different for the new truck.

Just telling you to anticipate that possibility it will be different in the new truck.


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TXBobcat
12-29-2016, 11:12 PM
Thanks. That seems to be what I'll be doing also.

porthole
12-30-2016, 10:55 AM
Thanks. That seems to be what I'll be doing also.


Planonmovingthetan

Plan on moving the tank. Northern tool charges shipping even if you have it shipped to their store.

If you have the old tank removed I would just order a new installation kit - "Tee" and plug the old one, leaving it with the truck.

The replacement fuel filler hose from Ford is almost as much as the installation kit. The difference in cost will be made up in less work to replace.

Straight gravity feed is the easiest.
Gravity feed with a 1/4 turn ball valve on the tank is next, and a lot safer in my opinion.
Electric solenoids work good, adds cost and should have a 1/4 turn valve between the tank and solenoid
Electric pumps are an option that I don't care for. The pump adds complexity and the possibility of fuel leakage or spill.

If you decide to go with a solenoid be aware not all solenoids are created equal. For gravity feed the solenoid needs to be a 'gravity feed' version. Gravity feed specific solenoids are designed with zero head pressure activation.

happykraut
12-30-2016, 01:21 PM
I installed a gravity feed tank in my truck, but it seems to drain very slow and sometimes it feels like it is not draining at all. The fuel goes through a solenoid operated valve. Question is: How large does the vent in the aux tank have to be?

gwalter
12-30-2016, 02:38 PM
The cap on my tank is the vent. I can be towing and see the main tank refill at the same time.



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crussian
12-30-2016, 03:28 PM
Hi - what exactly does Freedom Fill mean? I like the 45 gallon tank for its width and height. I don't have a cover on my bed so I might go to a locking cap. Nonetheless, I would like the aux tank to fill as the main goes down. I think that is gravity but not sure.

Thanks in advance.

Cary

Terry H
12-31-2016, 12:33 AM
The information about Freedom Fill system is on ATTA's page about Freedom Fil (http://www.attatank.com/pages/Freedom-Fill-Auxiliary-System.html)l.

Mase
12-31-2016, 04:20 AM
I had mine manufactured and installed by KSH Marine, in Lake Havasu. They usually have a booth in the Big Tent in Quartzsite, in mid January. What I liked about KSH is that they customize the tank to your exact requirements. I already had a diamond plate tool box in the bed. I asked KSH to move the toolbox immediately behind the hitch and make the gas tank large enough to take up the entire space between the toolbox and the front of the truck bed, so that everything would be tight and would be held tight behind the 5th wheel hitch. I wanted the gas tank made out of diamond plate and made the exact same height as the toolbox. I also wanted a diamond plate cover made and installed over the fill cap that would allow me to padlock the gas tank. I went with gravity feed, which has worked fine in the 4 years I have had the tank. It is a 65 gallon gas tank and cost me $700 and change installed. It has long ago paid for itself, with savings. I can go 1000 miles before needing to fillerup and can, therefore, wait until I get to a location with low fuel prices. Also, I haven't had to drag the RV into a gas station more than once per year or two. Do you know that the place with the lowest diesel prices has the highest quality diesel fuel? Diesel degrades over time in the gas station's underground tanks. The stations with the lowest prices are selling the most diesel and thereby turning the inventory in their tanks more often, so their diesel is "fresher" and less moisture content. As an added precaution, I add OPTI-LUBE diesel additive to my fuel tank after each fill.

I also buy gift cards from the major grocery stores (Krogers, Smiths, Safeway, Vons, etc.) when they have 4X points promotions on their gift cards. During those promotions, I get cards for Amazon and our favorite restaurants, Best Buy, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. where I am going to shop anyway. $250 in gift cards at 4X points, gets $1 off 25-35 gallons of diesel. Plus, grocery store gas stations usually have the lowest price even before the additional savings for the gift cards. You have to watch your timing because the fuel points disappear at the end of the month following the month the points are earned. Points earned in January expire at the end of February and have to be used by then. The gift cards themselves don't expire.

Nabo
12-31-2016, 12:29 PM
We have the RDS 60 gallon auxiliary fuel tank with tool box (http://www.rdsaluminum.com/auto-auxiliary.html) that fits under the bed rail and cover of the truck. Love it and ordered it directly from RDS. We decided to keep it as a gravity fed into the main tank.

porthole
12-31-2016, 12:43 PM
I installed a gravity feed tank in my truck, but it seems to drain very slow and sometimes it feels like it is not draining at all. The fuel goes through a solenoid operated valve. Question is: How large does the vent in the aux tank have to be?

HeyBernie

Hey Bernie, gravity feeds through a solenoid are slow, even when you are using the proper "gravity feed solenoid"

On my truck (and the same with Hobert's truck) I found that the gravity feed allows a flow about what I am burning. Keep in mind with gravity feeds, when the tank is full it will drain faster. The closer you get to empty the less "head pressure" and a resulting slower flow rate. Winter will be slower too.

I have never found the slow drain rate to be an issue.

Here is the solenoid I used.

3/8" Electric Solenoid Valve 12-Volt DC 12VDC Viton Seal Water Air Diesel B21V

'Viton' is key for diesel fuel.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-Electric-Solenoid-Valve-12-Volt-DC-12VDC-Viton-Seal-Water-Air-Diesel-B21V-/300876957423?hash=item460daa06ef:m:mpxIao0MMcyT_g0 o4bKym2Q

MTPockets
12-31-2016, 02:34 PM
I know zero about aux tanks, but do know we really like our 50 gal Transfer Flo brand tank. It fits perfectly under our Bed cover, it's fully automatic, adds fuel to the main tank automatically, and it's fully DOT approved. Just fill it and drive. Contact Transfer flow for an approved installer in your area.

Oregon_Camper
01-01-2017, 02:57 PM
Hi - what exactly does Freedom Fill mean? I like the 45 gallon tank for its width and height. I don't have a cover on my bed so I might go to a locking cap. Nonetheless, I would like the aux tank to fill as the main goes down. I think that is gravity but not sure.

Thanks in advance.

Cary


I have the Freedom Fill in our F-350. I opted to have it installed in the center console vs under the dash, as I liked the cleaner look. This is not gravity feed...this is an actual pump from Aux tank to the main tank. You can leave it on all the time so your main tank fill once it hits 3/4 tank or do what I do and wait for main tank to hit 1/4 tank and then turn on. I do this as I might fill up more often on trips and not have to use the Aux tank. Filling the trucks tank is easier than getting into the bed of the truck to fill the Aux tank. There is a nice large gauge for the Aux tank, which makes is easy to see fuel levels.

Oh...our came with a locking tank cap...not sure if that is even an option to not have one.

Cabindoc
01-01-2017, 10:28 PM
What MTPpckets said. I have a Tractor supply tool box behind cab, then tank, then hitch. All fits. You didn't ask, but I recommend a top made by Advanced folding cover. Opens in front or back and folds up so doesn't interfere with towing. Pm me if you want pics.


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TXBobcat
01-04-2017, 12:23 AM
Well I have looked at a lot of options on the tank. My Diesel Mechanic, which I trust, said he installs a lot of Titan 65 gal tanks. I told him I needed a tool box to carry my junk in and he suggested a Kobalt tool boxes. I like that.. I have a good tank and a large toolbox for all my junk. I think I am going to go that way at this time.

Also I am wanting to put a cover over my bed and I saw one that folds up in small sections. Don't remember who showed me their bed cover but I am looking for something like that..

Cabindoc gave me the name of Advanced Folding Cover and they have a ton on their website. I would like to know what ones you all use and a model number if possible.

I really appreciate all the help you all have been giving me. Thanks a lot..

BC

happykraut
01-04-2017, 07:41 AM
Also I am wanting to put a cover over my bed and I saw one that folds up in small sections. Don't remember who showed me their bed cover but I am looking for something like that..

Cabindoc gave me the name of Advanced Folding Cover and they have a ton on their website. I would like to know what ones you all use and a model number if possible.

I really appreciate all the help you all have been giving me. Thanks a lot..

BC Here is the one I use. https://www.realtruck.com/bakflip-g2-tonneau-cover/.Originally I installed a Extang Encore, but got rid of it because I had a hard time with it fueling up with the fiver in tow. Nice thing about it though is that you can open it from either end. Both covers are good quality.

Cabindoc
01-04-2017, 07:43 AM
I like the Advance b/c you can access front panel when cover is closed and even if cover is folded when 5er attached, I can open cover partially to get to tool box.


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DirtyMax88
01-04-2017, 07:55 AM
Dually Depot makes a toolbox and tank combo. Not sure if they would ship you one (and you get it installed), or if you will need to go to Indiana to have it installed. That way you don't have to have a tool box & then a tank, or vise versa. Simple design with external fuel pump and DOT approved. I'm not sure if the gravity fed tanks are or not. They do great work and we were in and out in a few hours. Good luck.

http://theduallydepot.com/auxiliary-fuel-tanks/2516472

happykraut
01-04-2017, 07:56 AM
Duane, thanks for the response. You hit the nail on the head with everything. I did not know that there is such a thing as gravity feed solenoid valves. I'm sure I probable bought the cheapest I could find. Right now I'm in the process of adding a second vent(rollover valve), but need to find a shop that will weld on an aluminum tank with about 3 gal of diesel in it. Yah, it is a scary thought.

TravelTiger
01-04-2017, 11:11 AM
Dually Depot makes a toolbox and tank combo. Not sure if they would ship you one (and you get it installed), or if you will need to go to Indiana to have it installed. That way you don't have to have a tool box & then a tank, or vise versa. Simple design with external fuel pump and DOT approved. I'm not sure if the gravity fed tanks are or not. They do great work and we were in and out in a few hours. Good luck.

http://theduallydepot.com/auxiliary-fuel-tanks/2516472

Just for the sake of discussion on this thread for others, we have a Dually Depot tank as well. Ours has a switch inside the cap to pump fuel through an external fuel filter in the bed and on into the regular tank. It also has a recirculating line if OEM tank gets full, it goes back into the tank. It has a gauge on the outside to give you an idea how much is in it. Great to fuel as you drive down the road. Had it installed in Elkhart, around the corner from the Heartland factory.

The original Carter fuel pump was starting to struggle this spring, so we switched it for the same brand (but a step up) and it's working great.




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porthole
01-04-2017, 12:17 PM
Right now I'm in the process of adding a second vent(rollover valve), but need to find a shop that will weld on an aluminum tank with about 3 gal of diesel in it. Yah, it is a scary thought.

Why do you think you need an additional vent?

At 60 mph, getting 10 mpg, you are burning 13 ounces a minute. Your gravity feed should easily drain 13 ounces per minute with the single standard vent.

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I like the Advance b/c you can access front panel when cover is closed and even if cover is folded when 5er attached, I can open cover partially to get to tool box.


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Scott, do you have a specific link to your cover?


(try the brake yet?)

cookie
01-04-2017, 12:42 PM
Why do you think you need an additional vent?
Duane, Bernies tank has no vent. It was initially designed for a pump and that was welded shut.
So now without a vent a vacuum is created preventing a good flow.

Peace
Dave

porthole
01-04-2017, 12:44 PM
Duane, Bernies tank has no vent. It was initially designed for a pump and that was welded shut.
So now without a vent a vacuum is created preventing a good flow.

Peace
Dave

How could any tank not have a vent?
Pump or gravity, the liquid has to be replaced with something.
Any Bernie did mention 'adding' a second vent.

The vent has to be either in the cap or through a usually top mounted port.

Vented caps are going the way of the Dodo bird thanks to the EPA.

happykraut
01-05-2017, 08:16 AM
Why do you think you need an additional vent?

It has been mentioned to me that not enough venting could be my problem. Fuel was leaking out of the vented cap it came with, so I totally sealed the cap with JP Weld and then put a check valve in the cap. I think this is kind of a Mickey Mouse set-up, so I plan on getting rid of the cap/valve and have a bung welded onto the tank with a rollover valve for venting.

Cabindoc
01-05-2017, 12:08 PM
It would appear Advance Folding cover is no more. Next closest is Fold-A-Cover. Almost a clone. Www.foldacover.com



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porthole
01-05-2017, 12:31 PM
It has been mentioned to me that not enough venting could be my problem. Fuel was leaking out of the vented cap it came with, so I totally sealed the cap with JP Weld and then put a check valve in the cap. I think this is kind of a Mickey Mouse set-up, so I plan on getting rid of the cap/valve and have a bung welded onto the tank with a rollover valve for venting.


So
your tank has no 'tank vent', only vented through the cap?

Nabo
01-05-2017, 02:30 PM
It would appear Advance Folding cover is no more. Next closest is Fold-A-Cover. Almost a clone. Www.foldacover.com (http://Www.foldacover.com)


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This looks identical to the Ram cover that came on our truck. Yes, it locks at both end when the truck doors are locked and locks the cover to the tailgate. It is a flush mount with the bed rail.

happykraut
01-05-2017, 06:22 PM
So
your tank has no 'tank vent', only vented through the cap?Yes. No vent. Only the cap was vented. It was sold as a transfer tank using a pump.

happykraut
01-05-2017, 07:20 PM
​A quote by Transfer Flow INC. The leader in aftermarket fuel systems.
Many state and federal agencies regulate fuel systems, including the US Department of Transportation (DOT), the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS), California Code of Regulations (CCR), and the California Air Resources Board (CARB), to name a few. Due to DOT ambiguity, the absolute legality of gravity fed systems remains unclear.

jassson007
01-05-2017, 08:39 PM
I have a dot tag on my tank that is gravity flow.


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porthole
01-05-2017, 10:00 PM
Check out this link and read what they say about a gravity feed. I don't think the gravity feed is legal in some states
http://www.thefuelbox.com

Maybe a link to the link that actually talks about the legality of gravity feed?
Would be helpful. There is nothing about gravity feeds on the above linked page.

Even if it was illegal, there are probably fewer gravity feed tanks out there in the RV world then there are overloaded pickup trucks.

And that would probably mean all toy haulers running gasoline generators are in jeopardy.

That website may be a wee bit biased as well.

happykraut
01-05-2017, 11:16 PM
Unfortunately more info from a tank manufacturer that doesn't sell gravity feed tanks.
GRAVITY FEEDING IS ILLEGAL
Here are some laws (regulations) which pertain to gravity feed fuel tanks, and why they are illegal.
1. 49 CFR CH.III (393.65) 6d; Gravity or syphon feeding is prohibited.
2. 49 CFR CH.III (393.67) 7.4.5.; Fuel withdrawal fittings. The fittings through which fuel is withdrawn from a tank must be located above the noraml level of fuel in the tank when the tank is full.
In other words, the fuel must come from the top of the tank and not from a fitting on the bottom. For safety reasons, all aluminum tanks manufactured by ATTA will have no fittings on the bottom. When in doubt, look at your factory tank.

jassson007
01-05-2017, 11:22 PM
Unfortunately more info from a tank manufacturer that doesn't sell gravity feed tanks.
GRAVITY FEEDING IS ILLEGAL
Here are some laws (regulations) which pertain to gravity feed fuel tanks, and why they are illegal.
1. 49 CFR CH.III (393.65) 6d; Gravity or syphon feeding is prohibited.
2. 49 CFR CH.III (393.67) 7.4.5.; Fuel withdrawal fittings. The fittings through which fuel is withdrawn from a tank must be located above the noraml level of fuel in the tank when the tank is full.
In other words, the fuel must come from the top of the tank and not from a fitting on the bottom. For safety reasons, all aluminum tanks manufactured by ATTA will have no fittings on the bottom. When in doubt, look at your factory tank.

I only looked up the first one, here is what that citation actually says according to the CFR...
(d) Gravity or syphon feed prohibited. A fuel system must not supply fuel by gravity or syphon feed directly to the carburetor or injector.



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cookie
01-06-2017, 10:31 AM
Unfortunately more info from a tank manufacturer that doesn't sell gravity feed tanks.
GRAVITY FEEDING IS ILLEGAL
Here are some laws (regulations) which pertain to gravity feed fuel tanks, and why they are illegal.
1. 49 CFR CH.III (393.65) 6d; Gravity or syphon feeding is prohibited.
2. 49 CFR CH.III (393.67) 7.4.5.; Fuel withdrawal fittings. The fittings through which fuel is withdrawn from a tank must be located above the noraml level of fuel in the tank when the tank is full.
In other words, the fuel must come from the top of the tank and not from a fitting on the bottom. For safety reasons, all aluminum tanks manufactured by ATTA will have no fittings on the bottom. When in doubt, look at your factory tank.
Well, the tank manufacturer is only telling the partial truth about gravity feed.
"49 CFR CH.III (393.65) 6d; Gravity or syphon feeding is prohibited." is kinda true. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, DOT regulation actually says "(d) Gravity or syphon feed prohibited. Afuel system must not supply fuel bygravity or syphon feed directly to thecarburetor or injector."
The defining words are "feed directly to the carburetor or injector".

Peace
Dave

jassson007
01-06-2017, 11:00 AM
Well, the tank manufacturer is only telling the partial truth about gravity feed.
"49 CFR CH.III (393.65) 6d; Gravity or syphon feeding is prohibited." is kinda true. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, DOT regulation actually says "(d) Gravity or syphon feed prohibited. Afuel system must not supply fuel bygravity or syphon feed directly to thecarburetor or injector."
The defining words are "feed directly to the carburetor or injector".

Peace
Dave

Same thing I looked up.


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porthole
01-08-2017, 09:32 PM
Same thing I looked up.




Also conveniently left out of the ATTA supplied CFR's was section 4

(4) Fill pipe openings are located outsidethe vehicle’s passenger compartmentand its cargo compartment;

Last I checked, all these auxiliary tanks (sans the Titan spare tire tank) have the fill pipe INSIDE the cargo compartment


I'll sleep easy with my gravity feed tank, feeding directly into my main fuel tank and not directly supplying the injectors.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title49-vol5/pdf/CFR-2010-title49-vol5-sec393-65.pdf

dlw930
01-09-2017, 08:19 AM
The FMCSA regs only apply to commercial carriers. Sleep easy.


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TXBobcat
01-09-2017, 05:18 PM
Well I will sleep well. With all the rules and regulations I am having a Titan 65gal Tank installed to replace the OEM tank.

I am having a tool box installed in the bed and then the fuel tank. Cost a bit more but I don't have to worry about how much fuel I have and how to get to it..

Thanks again for all the great information. This forum and the Heartland family are always helpful. I am proud to be a member.

God Bless
BC

porthole
01-09-2017, 11:29 PM
Well I will sleep well. With all the rules and regulations I am having a Titan 65gal Tank installed to replace the OEM tank.

I am having a tool box installed in the bed and then the fuel tank. Cost a bit more but I don't have to worry about how much fuel I have and how to get to it..

Thanks again for all the great information. This forum and the Heartland family are always helpful. I am proud to be a member.

God Bless
BC


Bob,
The Titan tank has a very specific torque procedure for the sending unit. Wouldn't hurt to ask your installer about it.

TXBobcat
01-09-2017, 11:39 PM
Thanks. I'll get with him. He has installed a number of Titan tanks, but I will ask him about it. Thanks.