Thanks for your numbers , thought that would be around 3000 lbs on pin with these units. we are still looking and I,m sure we want to stay around 14000 lbs max , when loaded , or less on the weight. Just seen some pics of the new TI 32 on a dealers web site , it maxis out at 14000 lbs , and looks great , only wish someone had one in stock to check out near Tn. again thank you for your pin weights. I do not want to go over 2800 lbs on my pin loaded.