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yellowallison
05-21-2011, 08:26 PM
I (wife and I) are on the fence trying to do our homework about buying a CYCLONE 3612 or 3800 compared to RAPTOR 365LEV....

I would love to have some help on what features the CYCLONE has over the RAPTOR:D

Any help would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

Thanks from Scott and Christy Vickery Jax Fla....

jimtoo
05-21-2011, 08:45 PM
Hi Scott and Christy,

Welcome to the Heartland Owners Forum and hopefully to the family. We have a great bunch of people here with lots of information and all willing to share their knowledge if needed.

I'm sure you will get some opinions soon. The Heartland line is really good and with the factory support we get, you can't beat it. You will find answers to any of your questions on the forum with lots of family support.

Enjoy the forum and go get the Cyclone..

Jim M

yellowallison
05-21-2011, 08:58 PM
Hi Scott and Christy,

Welcome to the Heartland Owners Forum and hopefully to the family. We have a great bunch of people here with lots of information and all willing to share their knowledge if needed.

I'm sure you will get some opinions soon. The Heartland line is really good and with the factory support we get, you can't beat it. You will find answers to any of your questions on the forum with lots of family support.

Enjoy the forum and go get the Cyclone..

Jim M


Thanks JIM.....I/we are so ready to get the CYCLONE....just gotta get over the lil speed bump of selling our OUTBACK first.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

I/we have heard some much "BULL HOOOKIE" from salesman bout how one TH is better then the other....when I found this forum......I was so relieved to know I can now get some TRUE FACTS from everybody here.

Thanks in ADVANCE again:D

robnmo
05-21-2011, 11:45 PM
I (wife and I) are on the fence trying to do our homework about buying a CYCLONE 3612 or 3800 compared to RAPTOR 365LEV....

I would love to have some help on what features the CYCLONE has over the RAPTOR:D

Any help would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

Thanks from Scott and Christy Vickery Jax Fla....

Oh wow, can we relate to this one!:D More ways than one, even our last names are similiar ;);) My wife and I were actually on our way to purchase the 365LEV and just happened to stop at a dealership on the way, while walking out to take 1 more look at the 365 we happened to see a Cyclone setting there, he wasn't sure what it was said it was a new model that just came in, hence we discovered the 3612. In our opinion there was no comparison, basically same floorplan, but the 3612 had deeper storage space (over the TV) compared to the 365, the trim and cabinetry just had a much higher quality appearance than the 365, and if memory serves me right I think the 365 had the dining booth and we liked the table and chairs. Our down fall was the 3612 had a wardrobe slide not bed, and we wanted the opposite (windows on each side of the bed) so we overlooked that one. We ordered the 3612 that day for what we needed, and haven't looked back, we love our Cyclone and would do it again tomorrow. Good luck and enjoy your CYCLONE. ;) Rob n Mo Vickroy ;););)

frumbawa
05-23-2011, 10:14 AM
The Raptor 365 was high on our list as well. Currently having the extra half bath in our Sundance, this was really attractive to our family (I am the only male in our family of 4). But the Raptor just didn't feel right. The DW did not like the location of the TV compared to the couch along with a few other things. Wife also wanted the more traditional couch and dinette so that ruled out a 3950. Checked out the 3612 and the extra bath was quickly forgotten. Just gotta figure out how to make this deal happen now.

Frank

AJJONES
05-23-2011, 01:13 PM
Here are just a few of the major differences that make Cyclone a superior product. Not to mention that it is a better built, and currently the #1 selling toy hauler in North America
1. Patented 88 degree turn radius front cap design. No need for a costly slider hitch or side-winder for the short bed trucks. Raptor does not have this
2. Zero degree testing at the Dometic Extreme Thermal Temperature Chamber. (There is a reason we nearly outsell Raptor and Fuzion combined in Canada)
3. Cyclone offers the largest, most unobstructed pass-through storage available in a toy hauler. Completely finished on all sides including ducted heat, rubberized diamond flooring with D-Rings, diamond-plated tool box and Tyvex moisture/vapor barrier to protect the floor decking. Raptor has minimal storage compared to the Cyclone.
4. Residential one-piece fiberglass shower surround. This is just like at home, not a 2 piece ABS plastic RV shower that Raptor uses
5. Thick, 1" baggage doors with "slam" latches on all Cyclone floorplan’s. Raptor uses thinner doors and uses cheap plastic latches that arn't near as durable
6. 30" Space Saver Microwave - The chef of the family will love the residential size VS a "RV" microwave that Raptor uses.
7. Rear fiberglass spoiler with LED running lights and LED brake lights. Higher end look with safer, more visible lighting. The ultimate rain gutter for your ramp door. Not available on Raptor
8. Bronzed mirror tinted safety glass windows offer less visibility from the outside and better heat reflection/retention. Keeps others from peeking in while staying warmer/cooler. This is not avialable on Raptor
9. Hydraulic Front Landing Gear - speed, power, and reliability. 14.46 times faster / 2.5 X stronger than electric landing gear that Raptor uses.
10. Two Speakers in the Garage - Cyclone offers a total of 8 speakers for your listening pleasure.
11. High End Residential Pillow Top/Memory Foam Mattress - Cyclone offers the most comfortable mattress in the industry!
12. Cyclone offers ducted heat and A/C in all bathrooms, providing comfort regardless of the season you’re camping in.
13. Spring Loaded Hidden Hinges on cabinet doors. (N/A in Raptor)
14. Exclusive HD Edition with Grey fiberglass walls (full body paint look with out the cost)
15. Cyclone also has multiple graphics packages to choose from allowing you to personalize your unit unlike Raptors one graphics package.

These are just a few of the reasons why Cyclone is a far better product if you have any other questions feel free to contcact me (574) 266-8726 and ask for AJ Jones

yellowallison
05-23-2011, 10:48 PM
THANKS EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

YES we are looking at the 3612.....just wish the 3612 had the rear 1/2 bath and then it for sure be at the top of the list....!!!!

frumbawa
05-24-2011, 10:15 AM
THANKS EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

YES we are looking at the 3612.....just wish the 3612 had the rear 1/2 bath and then it for sure be at the top of the list....!!!!

I second that!!

gpshemi
05-24-2011, 12:02 PM
Here are just a few of the major differences that make Cyclone a superior product. Not to mention that it is a better built, and currently the #1 selling toy hauler in North America
1. Patented 88 degree turn radius front cap design. No need for a costly slider hitch or side-winder for the short bed trucks. Raptor does not have this


Just to be clear, that depends on the truck you have. Some still need sliders...

Bighurt
05-24-2011, 12:23 PM
Just to be clear, that depends on the truck you have. Some still need sliders...

And to be the devils advocate here, the cap design for 88° turns is a mute point for anyone with a longbed...

Although I will say this the aerodynamics of the front cap are considered to increase fuel economy up to 2% over the leading competitor's cap.

yellowallison
05-24-2011, 07:27 PM
Just to be clear, that depends on the truck you have. Some still need sliders...


Be pulling with a 2010 F350 4x4 CC........

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/yellowallison/Camping/0_0-9.jpg

P>S...Thats our 2010 OutBack 260FL behind it that we have FOR SALE so we can get our CYCLONE....garage kept since new....if anybody knows anybody looking send'm our way:D

tgreening
05-24-2011, 11:30 PM
Be pulling with a 2010 F350 4x4 CC........


P>S...Thats our 2010 OutBack 260FL behind it that we have FOR SALE so we can get our CYCLONE....garage kept since new....if anybody knows anybody looking send'm our way:D


I was in your boat, with a 33' 2010 Keystone Sprinter and wanted to move up to a big toy hauler (3950 in our case). I took a bit of a hit on the Sprinter since it was so new but in the end it was worth it not having to deal with the whole "For Sale" issue, and getting our toy hauler when we wanted it. IOW, consider just trading it in. I shopped a couple dealers and in the end did well enough on the trade in that it was worth it. We used the BeeJesus out of it the one season we had it so I just chalked it up to additional cost of ownership. As I said, in the end it was well worth the hit just to have it gone, and the new Toy in hand.

Like your truck btw. Mine's and '08 F450 and does and awesome job of pulling the new beasty of a trailer.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/tgreening/Camping/Cyclone/2011-05-20_17-20-49_158.jpg

yellowallison
05-25-2011, 08:56 PM
BEUUUUU-TIFUL!!!!! OK I'm drooooling and dreaming...LOL




http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/tgreening/Camping/Cyclone/2011-05-20_17-20-49_158.jpg

Bighurt
05-25-2011, 09:34 PM
Does the 3612 have a ladder into the rear loft? How does one get into it otherwise?

robnmo
05-26-2011, 07:18 AM
Does the 3612 have a ladder into the rear loft? How does one get into it otherwise?

Yep, there should be a small metal ladder with flat hooked ends to access the loft.

AJJONES
05-26-2011, 09:17 AM
Yes the 3612 does come with a metal ladder, that allows you to get into the loft area.

gpshemi
05-26-2011, 11:35 AM
I can't say if that truck will need it or not, but I know my megacab does. I was just pointing out that it's not a blanket statement is all.

While the nose design is great overall, you have to keep in mind that the Cyclone is 5" wider (8'5") then something like a mid profile Sundance or other trailer. Throw in a shortbed Crewcab...and you might still need it.

On a side note, it's funny, after reading your statement about the rear bathroom, I got thinking about how much or little effort it would be to put one in the garage. Probably not that hard if you were willing to give up the mini fridge and the overhead cabinet for some added garage space in the 3612. Then I got thinking...as much as we wanted the 3950 for the rear bath, I don't find myself missing it at all. It seemed like a great idea for certain times, but...maybe not so much after all.

Good luck in your search. We love our 3612. A few mods has made it a great fit for us.

u243412
05-26-2011, 11:00 PM
There is a nite and day difference between Heartland and Keystone. I don't know your specific models - but when I compared the Keystone Fuzion and the Heartland Cyclone - it was pretty obvious which one had more and better options.

First off - get the hydraulic front jacks. They are worth gold in my opinion.
Also heed AJJones comments - he runs Heartland. I called him with all my questions.
I really notice how nice the bronze windows look compared to the tinted windows. Also make a good comparison of the awning and doors. The quality of materials in the Heartland is noticeable better than my previous Keystone.

I'd suggest you somehow park one model beside the other - and make direct comparisons. There shouldn't be much discussion needed if you are able to do this and compare point vs point.

Good luck with either choice.

robnmo
05-27-2011, 09:28 AM
I'd suggest you somehow park one model beside the other - and make direct comparisons. There shouldn't be much discussion needed if you are able to do this and compare point vs point.

Good luck with either choice.

This is an excellent point. We had to opportunity to have both of them on the same lot, where we could walk from one to the other and there is a definite difference between the two.

porthole
06-27-2011, 06:10 PM
Nothing wrong with Cyclones.Just about all RV's use parts from the same sources. So from the cheapest 5th wheel to the 200k trailers, parts are likely to be the same. Our Cyclone is now almost 2 years old with 10,000 miles under the frame. It has served us well.

WELDN_WILLY
07-23-2011, 10:39 PM
I was wondering what mods have you done to your 3612? We have a '11 3612 and it's our first toy hauler also. Just getting ideas as to what people do to their toyhaulers, you can't get enough ideas you know.

dhp68
08-27-2011, 03:19 AM
We just bought a new Raptor 365lev and love it! The layout is great and it pulls down the road nicely with our Dodge 3500 SRW. The second bath is a very nice feature but comes at a price with extra sewer dump opps.The suspension rides very well! We feel the quality is quite good. We looked at the Cyclones as well, but having a local dealer was important to us. My only suggestions would be to change the door orientation to master bath, have latches on doors to prop them open for better AC flow with 2nd AC unit (which I installed myself), and make the sewage valves for 2nd bathroom easier to get to(they are located under slideout above 1st axle). Hydraulic front jacks would also be welcomed. We are very happy with our purchase and had a trouble free maiden voyage. Beckley's RV of Thurmont, Md gave us a great deal and treated us very well! They did a great job on the PDI. I think the Raptors have come a long way!//heartlandowners.org/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif The new 2012's addressed all the bad comparisons that Cyclone/Hearland was using in its ad campaigns with new designs and components. I think the Cyclones and Raptors are very compaible now and both are great Toy Haulers. Just my honest opinion...

jimtoo
08-27-2011, 09:32 AM
Hi Dave and Linda,

Welcome to the Heartland Owners Forum and Family. We have a great bunch of people here with lots of information and all willing to share their knowledge if needed.

If you need help with anything or making mods to make it yours, just ask or search the forum. The Heartland Family is here to help.

Enjoy the forum and your new unit.

Jim M

dhp68
08-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Thanks JIM!! Some good folks on here for sure!

iforget
08-29-2011, 11:37 AM
I was wondering what mods have you done to your 3612? We have a '11 3612 and it's our first toy hauler also. Just getting ideas as to what people do to their toyhaulers, you can't get enough ideas you know.
Check out Porthole's "And so it begins" posts. Although the unit is a 3010, most of the mods will apply to others. He is know as the King of Mods!!