Has Anyone Used Centramatic Balancers

[rxbristol]

These devices have been around for a very long time, and debunked for a very long time. Some people want it to be true and regardless of the evidence will see what they want. The hucksters are free to practice their deception. Even here.

I've looked for proof that these items don't work, but I've not found any legitimate documentation that debunks these except opinion. Do you know of any? I would really like to look at it.

Rex

 

[rxbristol]

Applied physics is a wonderful thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VTb6U7GYgQ

Nice video...thanks!

 

[Bohemian]

Here's the bottom line.The video DID NOT show you the "unbalanced wheel" with a strobe light tuned to remove visual evidence of the wobble as a strobe light is perfectly capable of doing.The video DID show you the "balanced wheel" with the strobe light tuned to remove any visible evidence of the wheel being unbalanced..The video DID NOT show you the "balanced wheel" with NO strobe light where you might have seen that the wheel was really unbalanced.Hey, using a strobe light you can make a forward spinning wheel look like it is spinning backwards. You see this in old movies and TV shows all the timeYou can make the timing mark on a motor look as if it is standing still. That's how one used to do timing on a motor. It's a great tool, and can be used to make wobbling objects look as if they are not wobbling. Which shows intent to defraud.

 

[whp4262]

The centramatic balancers were on my motorhome when I first bought it and when I replaced the tires I took them off. I didn't notice any difference after removing them and never put them back on.

 

[Jim.Allison]

Im not ready to indict a company that has been in business for that long who make those wheel balancers for motorcycles to 18 wheelers, who obviously have a following. It would be immediately evident that the device was a fraud as soon as you put them on your TV wheels. As to people seeing what they want, I saw the balanced wheel between the strobe shots. You did not. So like I said, I'm reluctant to indict a product with no reason to support the indictment. The physics seem sound to me, Don't insult my intelligence without hard evidence, the fact that your professional friends don't like the product is anecdotal, and it is an example of a person using an unknown person to support his argument. Which means you yourself are not sure of your position but we should trust you because your friend told you about it. Don't buy it if you don't want them, but respect others opinions until you have evidence that we (I'm) misleading the other readers who are interested in the product, without some real evidence. Your view is supported anecdotal evidence only. And your attempt to support your opinion with an unknown friend that supports your view worse than anecdotal.

I think the product has reasonable physics applied to the subject of balancing wheel assemblies. I will not engage further in this conversation with you. Unless you have some hard evidence that it is a fraud.

 

[rxbristol]

Here's the bottom line.The video DID NOT show you the "unbalanced wheel" with a strobe light tuned to remove visual evidence of the wobble as a strobe light is perfectly capable of doing.The video DID show you the "balanced wheel" with the strobe light tuned to remove any visible evidence of the wheel being unbalanced..The video DID NOT show you the "balanced wheel" with NO strobe light where you might have seen that the wheel was really unbalanced.Hey, using a strobe light you can make a forward spinning wheel look like it is spinning backwards. You see this in old movies and TV shows all the timeYou can make the timing mark on a motor look as if it is standing still. That's how one used to do timing on a motor. It's a great tool, and can be used to make wobbling objects look as if they are not wobbling. Which shows intent to defraud.

I see what your saying when I looked at their "How it Works" video, but I found this on their web site...the instructional video...it shows the balanced wheel before using the strobe light:

http://centramatic.com/Page.aspx?page=Video-Instructional-Video

 

[Bohemian]

It looks as if someone didn't actually come here to ask a question, but rather to make a sales pitch.That's what it looks like, but we will never know for sure.

 

[rxbristol]

I installed the Centramatics today...we'll see how it goes. My current RV park neighbor saw what I was doing and mentioned he had them on his semi-truck rig and over the last 35,000 miles has not noticed any wear, not even on the steering wheels.

 

[TandT]

Rex,
Thanks for the update. Let us know how it goes. I am considering them myself. Trace

 

[lwmcguir]

We run Dyna Beads in all the trailer tires and have for may years. Works great and we get high mileage out of them. Haven't tried the direct mount balancers but it seems that they would work. Looking forward to updates.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

We run Dyna Beads in all the trailer tires and have for may years. Works great and we get high mileage out of them. Haven't tried the direct mount balancers but it seems that they would work. Looking forward to updates.

I have interest in using Dyna Beads in my G614's. Question I have is there any problem with use of Dyna Beads and using a TPM system. I have the Pressure Pro system, and wonder if the beads could end up blocking the valve stem with the tire pressure monitor sensor installed? If this could occur, then the sensor would not be able to transmit a valid reading. Any comments or suggestions?

 

[Jim.Allison]

They work on the same principle as the Centramatic. I would just use the Centramatic. My question would be is what does good year say about the beads inside their tire? I dont know the answere but I would check it out. There must be some erosion associated with ceramic beads rolling around inside your tire.

I have interest in using Dyna Beads in my G614's. Question I have is there any problem with use of Dyna Beads and using a TPM system. I have the Pressure Pro system, and wonder if the beads could end up blocking the valve stem with the tire pressure monitor sensor installed? If this could occur, then the sensor would not be able to transmit a valid reading. Any comments or suggestions?

 

[Jim.Allison]

I read that you must use a filtered valve stem to protect the TPMS........

I have interest in using Dyna Beads in my G614's. Question I have is there any problem with use of Dyna Beads and using a TPM system. I have the Pressure Pro system, and wonder if the beads could end up blocking the valve stem with the tire pressure monitor sensor installed? If this could occur, then the sensor would not be able to transmit a valid reading. Any comments or suggestions?

 

[porthole]

Eric,
When you order Dynabeads you order special valve stem cores as well. Solves the problem

 

[Bohemian]

Don't use any of them. They can't work. The best you can do is not make it worse.

Just balance your tires and wheels for real. It's not that difficult or expensive.

Even if the claims were real and the demos were not entirely misleading (to be polite), the wheels are not balanced at all speeds under all conditions.

 

[Jim.Allison]

I still want to know what physics you use to propagate the notion that this product does not work? The internet is replete with reviews on products that do not work, but I have not found one that states that Centramatic does not work. So if you have some mathematics that we don't know about then fill us in. If you have found negative reviews that you can post please do. I would sincerely like to see them.

Don't use any of them. They can't work. The best you can do is not make it worse.

Just balance your tires and wheels for real. It's not that difficult or expensive.

Even if the claims were real and the demos were not entirely misleading (to be polite), the wheels are not balanced at all speeds under all conditions.

 

[JanAndBill]

On over the road tractors, balancing the front tires was a wasted effort, because wear patterns, and use would render a balance useless within a very short time. Rear and trailer tires were never balanced. The Centramatic type balancers were out back in the 80's. We tried a few just to see, and they seemed to work but I couldn't justify the cost. We eventually went to 3 golf balls in a tire which worked just as well. Cheap ones seemed to actually work better than the more expensive ones. Millions of miles rolling down the road and never an issue with the golf balls.

 

[rxbristol]

Don't use any of them. They can't work. The best you can do is not make it worse.

Just balance your tires and wheels for real. It's not that difficult or expensive.

Even if the claims were real and the demos were not entirely misleading (to be polite), the wheels are not balanced at all speeds under all conditions.

You're right that the wheels are not balanced at all speeds. I believe the Centramatic web site states that the wheels are not completely balanced under speeds of 25 or 35 mph. That's OK--miles traveled, RV vibration, and most tire wear are at distances over 35 mph.

 

[rxbristol]

On over the road tractors, balancing the front tires was a wasted effort, because wear patterns, and use would render a balance useless within a very short time. Rear and trailer tires were never balanced. The Centramatic type balancers were out back in the 80's. We tried a few just to see, and they seemed to work but I couldn't justify the cost. We eventually went to 3 golf balls in a tire which worked just as well. Cheap ones seemed to actually work better than the more expensive ones. Millions of miles rolling down the road and never an issue with the golf balls.

Awesome! Simple, but effective.

 

[Bohemian]

Wrong question. These products have never been able to show any scientific principle under which they do work. There is simply no reason to suspect in any way that they work. If they had a scientific explanation, they would present it for review and confirmation by scientists and engineers. That is how science and technology works.Gimmicky demos that are easy to explain are not science or technology.But hey. It's a free country and you have been warned. It's up to you. Caveat Emptor.